Talk:Charlotte Bach

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Renamed the page from Karoly Hadju to Karoly Hajdu, because the original name contained a typo. See an external reference for the correct typing; Hajdu is also a common Hungarian name. Kuteni 15:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Transgendered persons are normally referred to by their name after the change. Once Karoly became Charlotte, she did not change back. Hence the page should be called 'Charlotte Bach'. Jjnigl 14:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)Jjnigl[reply]

However, impostors are referred to with their original name, if known. This page is written with the view that he was primarily an impostor. Kuteni 15:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is a salient point. Was Bach/Hajdu a transgendered person (someone whose biological gender does not correspond with his/her gender identity) or a man who adopted the persona of a woman, partly to evade the consequences of past misdemeanours? AuntFlo (talk) 00:29, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Since Bach lived her life fully as a woman (after transitioning), she should be considered transgender - regardless of her reasons (which we don't know). -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:42, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, if living as a woman is the only sense in which she could be called an "impostor" -- i.e. if she did not claim another actual person's identity or claim qualifications or formal status that she was not entitled to by her own personal history and achievements -- then labelling her as an impostor for that alone frankly would carry the distinct odor of transphobia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.223.125.168 (talk) 19:21, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I removed "Only after her death did they discover that Bach had neither been a scientist—nor even a biological female". You can't suddenly "discover" someone's not a scientist since there's no condition to being a scientist except practicing science, although obviously it was discovered she had claimed a fake identity and academic credentials. Her theories didn't suddenly disappear. The second part of the comment just seems lurid and it implies that her transgendered identity was an obvious fraud. Helixdq (talk) 01:42, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Birth name - sources

What is Charlotte Bach's birth name? I don't see any sources on that in this wikipedia page. -206.71.239.16 (talk) 23:45, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Mayfair, the most expensive district in Britain"

That does not require a citation. That is common knowledge. 99.238.74.216 (talk) 11:43, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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