Talk:Charlie Bartson

A fact from Charlie Bartson appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 16 December 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that after getting drunk and verbally abusing Cap Anson at a baseball game during his off day, Charlie Bartson was released from the Chicago Pirates?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2021/December. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Charlie Bartson.

Wikipedia

This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Illinois Low‑importance

	Illinois portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Illinois, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Illinois on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IllinoisWikipedia:WikiProject IllinoisTemplate:WikiProject IllinoisWikiProject Illinois articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Baseball: Old-time Base Ball Low‑importance

	Baseball portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Baseball, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of baseball on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.BaseballWikipedia:WikiProject BaseballTemplate:WikiProject BaseballBaseball articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by the Old-time Base Ball task force (assessed as Low-importance).
	An editor has requested that an image or photograph be added to this article.

Biography: Sports and Games

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	Sports portal This article is supported by the sports and games work group (assessed as Low-importance).

Chicago

	Chicago portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Chicago, which aims to improve all articles or pages related to Chicago or the Chicago metropolitan area.ChicagoWikipedia:WikiProject ChicagoTemplate:WikiProject ChicagoChicago articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
	This article has been automatically rated by a bot or other tool because one or more other projects use this class. Please ensure the assessment is correct before removing the `\|auto=` parameter.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 21:35, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(

Comment or view
Article history

)

... that Charlie Bartson was recommended for release from the Chicago Pirates of the Players' League after getting drunk and verbally abusing Cap Anson at a game Bartson attended during an off-day? Source: [1], p. 12

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Felix O'Day (novel)

5x expanded by Therapyisgood (talk). Self-nominated at 17:19, 29 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]

@Therapyisgood: Nominated on the same day it was expanded from 260 bytes to about 3400 bytes, satisfying date and length criteria. The text states "over 251.1 innings pitched", but the source indicates 253.1. Although I can access portions of refs 3, 4, and 5, I cannot access the pages specifically used for citations, so I'll assume good faith for those sources. I did manage to verify some statements by perusing other baseball books. (Not needed for DYK, but the sentence "Bartson stood at 6 feet..." seems to have been tacked onto a paragraph at random.) The hook is long, albeit just under the limit of 200 characters, and has a citation to one of the sources I cannot access. It also assumes the audience knows this is about baseball (only baseball fans with a knowledge of the game's history would recognize Cap Anson, and most would not recognize the team or league). I think it could be modified to be much shorter, such as:

ALT1: ... that after getting drunk and verbally abusing Cap Anson at a baseball game during his off day, Charlie Bartson was recommended for release from the Chicago Pirates?

The drawback to this one is it places the subject near the end; I'd also prune "recommended for", as he was released. My only other concern is that about 3/4 of this article is basically the BBREF page expanded into prose, with the remainder consisting of a few (sourced) anecdotes, but at least these make up about 1300-1400 bytes of text. (By the way, this source states "...recommended his release because "his work was not of such a kind as to warrant his retention" anyway", which is an interesting tidbit to add to the article.) QPQ completed.
So, fix the stats error, perhaps add a little more text to nudge the non-stats part over 1500 bytes, and consider either ALT1 or your own rewording of it (or an entirely different hook). Mind matrix 01:54, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mindmatrix: added prose, alt 1 looks good to me with "recommended for" removed, so: ... that after getting drunk and verbally abusing Cap Anson at a baseball game during his off day, Charlie Bartson was released from the Chicago Pirates? ~~I've added "baseball player" for context.~~ looking back it's redundant. Therapyisgood (talk) 02:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Therapyisgood: I've rewritten the modified hook as ALT2 and stricken the earlier versions to clarify for the promoter. Good to go. Mind matrix 23:00, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2: ... that after getting drunk and verbally abusing Cap Anson at a baseball game during his off day, Charlie Bartson was released from the Chicago Pirates?

ALT2 to T:DYK/P6