Talk:Charles Vince

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Speedy deletion

I cannot add anything more to this article because I cannot find out anything more about Charles Vince. My only source for him is Bruce Charlton here and here.

It would be a shame if this article was deleted, because if it remains, perhaps someone else who does know a bit about Charles Vince will be able to add to it. cagliost (talk) 08:11, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Background

I believe Vince's dates are 1887 to 1974; that his father was the Cambridge academic Charles Anthony Vince, son of Charles Vince the Birmingham minister; and that in later life he was on the staff of the RNLI. There were more books. See d:Q24885513 for further clues. Charles Matthews (talk) 21:13, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So that background tallies with this page, about William Lang Vince and his time at King Edward's School, Birmingham. The Charles Vince who was his elder brother is there said to have been in a Cyclists Battalion, and then transferred to the War Office. The 59th Division suffered heavy losses to 1918.

More about William Lang Vince at [1]. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:07, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting then is that the Army Cyclist Corps was basically part of the Territorial Army; and that the 59th Division in Dublin had Territorials.[2] There is nothing here incompatible with the idea that Charles Vince was a Territorial, and was formed up into the 59th in 1915 when that unit was put together. William Lang Vince joined in 1914. Charles Vince of King Edward's School left in 1906, and there is no reason to think he went to university. Quite plausible to think he went into journalism at 19, which would probably have involved time on a provincial paper, before going to London. One of the ministers son's worked for the Birmingham Post. Charles Matthews (talk) 13:28, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Billinghurst:: I've now pulled this article into some kind of shape. One thing that is missing is direct confirmation that Vince's father was Charles Anthony Vince, a Cambridge academic and Liberal Unionist political operator for Joseph Chamberlain in Birmingham, and nationally. Given that Charles Vince was born (as far as we know) in 1887, this should be visible in the 1891 census. It all dovetails, in that this Charles Vince did not go off to Oxbridge, but into journalism: the standard history of the Birmingham Post, by H. R. G. Whates, makes clear that in 1903 C. A. Vince was a leader writer, and in 1906 was in the frame to become editor (was in fact G. W. Hubbard).

Given that identification, more early life can be gathered from the magazines of the King Edward's School, Birmingham, which this Charles Vince almost certainly attended. The family was probably in Edgbaston. Charles Matthews (talk) 14:08, 1 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Charles Matthews: not home at moment. CAV does have a son Charles b.1887/88 in Hendon (1891 census). — billinghurst sDrewth 09:09, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Great. Charles Matthews (talk) 09:18, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I can see a CV marrying in 1915 to Emily Cohen. ~~Also a Charles J Vince dying 1960 aged 70.~~ — billinghurst sDrewth 09:25, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]