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She was 11 in 1989

Right now something is wrong in this article. It says her family moved to South Africa in 1989, when she was 12. But she was eleven in 1989. Did they move in 1989 or in 1990? Calle Widmann (talk) 11:35, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is more wrong in that paragraph. It also claims she attended a primary school in South Africa from 1988 until 1991, thus starting a year BEFORE they allegedly moved there. And in 1991 she was already 13 and thus past primary school age.T v x1 02:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Page name

Why "Charlene, Princess of Monaco" rather than "Princess Charlene of Monaco", which is the style used? 79.71.87.243 (talk) 03:19, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 6 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Supporters of the move pointed out that title-first language was most in keeping with WP:CONSORTS' guidance on article titles for living consorts; opponents of the move argued that the article title should be WP:CONSISTENT with her husband's article, which is titled Albert II, Prince of Monaco. Questions about the relative commonality of styles appear to have been divided. With comparable strength of argument on each side, I see this discussion as failing to reach consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:22, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Charlene, Princess of Monaco → Princess Charlene of Monaco – First, sources are mixed as to whether Charlene's title is (Her Serene Highness) "Princess Charlene of Monaco" or "The Princess of Monaco". The official website for the princely family calls her "H. S. H. Princess Charlene".[1]. Furthermore, we tend to have the title before the name for living consorts, such as with Queen Silvia of Sweden. This is in line with WP:CONSORTS. estar8806 (talk) ★ 18:48, 6 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Killuminator (talk) 22:12, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The family website also calls her "the princess of Monaco"[2] or "la princesse de Monaco".[3] It also calls Albert "H.S.H. Prince Albert II" and "the prince of Monaco" interchangeably. Neither is incorrect. I oppose moving this page if Albert's is to remain in the same format, but I believe the title Princess Charlene is worth considering. Surtsicna (talk) 19:14, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, as Surtsicna demonstrated there is not a single official form when it comes to her name and title and moving the page disrupts the consistency that it has with Albert's page. Also, she cannot really be compared to queens consort. There are no other living princesses consort at the moment, but the most recently deceased one was Marie, Princess of Liechtenstein (whose page was moved to her maiden name following an RM in November 2021), so the format used for this page is not uncommon. Keivan.f^Talk 20:21, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: The proposed title implies that she is the daughter of a Sovereign Prince of Monaco, which is not the case.2601:249:9301:D570:598C:2118:63E8:EF09 (talk) 02:43, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It really does not to anyone other than Wikipedia editors. Surtsicna (talk) 18:11, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Same poster as before, IP address changed depending on location) I meant it in the sense that the only people who have the article title format "Prince(ss) X of Monaco" are children/male-line descendants of rulers of the Principality of Monaco. Charlene, on the other hand, is the spouse of a ruler of Monaco, so the other format doesn't apply to her. 98.228.137.44 (talk) 01:45, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. My point is that the only people who read into that format are a handful of Wikipedia editors. The people for whom these articles are written do not understand that intent, nor is that practice grounded in the world outside Wikipedia. Surtsicna (talk) 07:10, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Clear common name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:01, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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