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Edit summary correction 16 Sept

I have realised I made a mistake in my edit summary (20:17, 16 September 2011), I now realise "in the public domain" means not covered by intellectual property rights, I meant it is published and available to the general public, like any other publication. My apologies, I will pay more attention to terminology in future! Mesoso2 (talk) 20:34, 16 September 2011 (UTC) Mesoso2 (talk) 20:36, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Are Assam Rifles and NSG considered as CAPF?

@Adamgerber80: So, you said in you edit summary about looking at MHA annual report. I did read 2017-18 annual report and I can see:

on page no. 126 (actual page 131 of the pdf file) 8.37 There are five Central Armed Police Forces (CAPFs) namely Border Security Force (BSF), Central Industrial Security Force (CISF), Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF), Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP), Sashastra Seema Bal (SSB) and one Central Paramilitary Force (CPMF) namely Assam Rifles (AR) under the Ministry of Home Affairs..
Also, a little ahead in the same section, In addition, National Security Guard (NSG) is a specialized strike Force trained in the Counter terrorism and anti-hijacking operations..
On the next page 8.40 the Assam Rifles was raised as “Cachar Levy” in 1835 and is the oldest Para Military Force in the country.

What do you think? Also pinging @Ee13b101: (for this edit), @Samitus mallicus: (for this edit). —Sarvatra (talk) 21:51, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Sarvatra: Thank you for initiating this discussion. This is one that I was meaning to have for some time in conjunction with Paramilitary forces of India. For some history, all these forces were called Central Para-military Forces (CPFs) until March 2011 [1] and then some of these were converted to in May 2011 [2]. AFAIK, this was done for purely PR purposes since the word Police appeared more friendly. Unfortunately, I cannot find the official notification which announced this. Now in the 2018 report lined above, MHA lists seven forces : CRPF, CISF, SSB, BSF, ITBP, Assam Rifles and NSG under the CAPF section (essentially clubs them together). Even the CAPF official government website mentions them as such. All of these organizations also receive the same set of medals which are designated for Police Personnel in India (Page 124-125 of the report). However, under the description, MHA terms only five of them namely, CRPF, CISF, SSB, BSF, ITBP as CAPF and others as described above. The first five forces are led by a officer structure of their own and headed by IPS officers. I think Assam Rifles is "technically" termed a Central Paramilitary Force (CPMF) because though it comes under the administration control of the MHA, the force is lead by Indian Army officers and this has been a bone of contention between the MHA and the MoD [3][4]. What this essentially means is that all these personnel are treated on par as paramilitary personnel (not state police personnel) and not as soldiers of the Armed Forces under the MoD. Now, do remember that there are other organizations which are under the administration control of the MHA for example the Special Protection Group (SPG) and Indian Reserve Battalions but are not clubbed with the other forces under CAPF.

Then there is the Indian Coast Guard which is a distinct identity of it's own and operates under the MoD as a full pledged defense force, thought it has it's own officer structure and medals distinct from the Indian Armed Forces and until recently was always headed by a Indian Navy officer on deputation. In addition, there is the Special Frontier Force which is an entity of it's own and is not really classified as anything here and can best describe the term paramilitary force [5].

After a lot of rambling, I propose this. Mention all the seven forces clubbed together by the MHA under this page. However, we should be very clear that the MHA officially terms only five of these as CAPF and terms the other 2 differently. The reasoning behind this is that if we add AR and SSG in Paramilitary forces of India, that is not the correct classification. Though they might not technically be called CAPFs for official reasons, for other practical purposes they are treated as so. Only the SFF, in my mind, truly classifies as a Paramilitary force of India in these terms. However, if you take the Wikipedia definition of Paramilitary and how IISS classifies them in Military Balance, then all of these classify as such.

I think we should only keep SFF under Paramilitary forces of India and move the other two here (which is already the case) or redirect Paramilitary forces of India into this page. Pinging @Gazoth and KCVelaga: as well for their thoughts. Adamgerber80 (talk) 14:43, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Let me preface this by saying that I have very little knowledge about land forces of India. From what I understand, it looks like CAPF is an artificial umbrella term created by MHA to refer to a few paramilitary forces of India. If I've got this right, we should not add anything else to this page apart from what has been explicitly classified by MHA to be a part of CAPF. Even if MHA occassionaly lumps NSG and AR together with CAPFs, it does not count as explicit classification. I think it is a better idea to keep this page brief and expand Paramilitary forces of India to include summaries of the five CAPFs since all CAPFs are still paramilitary forces of India. —Gazoth (talk) 15:50, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

September 2022: Parliamentary Standing Committee On Home Affairs' report Working conditions in Border Guarding Forces clearly states that Assam Rifles is a CAPF on page no 1 (page 19 of the PDF file). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhay.s (talk • contribs) 11:24, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Difference between CAPF and Paramilitary force

The Assam Rifles not CAPF Assam rifles are an integral part of the Indian Army. Since the birth of the force in 1835, the operational control has been with the Indian Army or Gurkha rifles are also derived from the Assam rifles because maximum Gurkhas are recruited in the force so it is one of the oldest paramilitary force in India. 152.58.171.241 (talk) 12:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]