Talk:Celeron/Archive 1

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Archive 1

The Name

The article doesn't explain the origin of the name "Celeron". My guess is that it is not a random jumble of letters, and not a pun on the vegetable celery. Rather, my guess it comes from the Latin root celer, meaning swift. We have a few words in English from this root, include accelerate and celerity. I think that it is important to mention such etymologies in articles. But I'm not "bold" enough to go and just change this article myself. Nyh 13:46, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

According to this article, Lexicon Branding invented this name and indeed the Latin word celer was used as inspiration. Other articles (just Google for 'celeron celer swift') seem to suggest the same. Nyh 13:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

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They are a favored processor in the enthusiast market, because like the old 300A, they can run well above their rated speeds.

How is the P4 Celeron well-regarded among the ethusiast market? Even at 2.8GHz, it can't beat a Duron. No amount of overclocking can redeem it. Crusadeonilliteracy 14:30, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Dont ask me, I didn't write that, maybe on the budjet they are good if your strictly intel. Patcat88 22:22, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

"and some missing primary cache optimisations" User:Tannin, you worte that, I have never heard of there being a L1 cache change between the p3 and p3 cel. Can you explain? I removed it because I never heard of such a thing.Patcat88 08:33, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Yup. The details have slipped my memory now (which was why I wrote that so vaguely in the first place) but as I recall it was to do with the 256 bit wide pathway to the cache. The Celeron had a narrower one. I can't imagine that it cost any less to manufacture, so I guess they were concerned that if they took on the entire P-III design unmodified, save only the extra 128k L2, they might wind up with another Celeron-A 300 situation - i.e., cheap part outperforming the expensive part - not what they teach in marketing 101. Tannin

Hmmm: a quick look for something to refresh my memory yields only two or three articles written before the C-128 was released. These say a 64-bit data path, the post-release ones seem to agree on 256-bit. Worth looking a little harder to be certain, but I think you are right, Patcat.

[1] it says on that page on a table that teh L2 cache bus is 256 bit on the Coppermine128, adn it is 256bit on the p3, while on mendocino it was 64 bit. So the celeron 128 did not have alower cache bit rate, sorry I didn't see your post belowPatcat88 01:17, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I removed: Via attempted to do this by aquiring a company that owned a license, but ultimatly was court ordered to discontinue drop in replacements (but it still can make CPU using the Pentium III GTL bus making them chipset compatible with the Pentium III). As I remember it. VIA won the court case - or rather, it was settled on terms that allowed VIA to continue making Socket 370 parts. (In this context, of course Socket 370 = Slot 1, insofar as a simple slot adaptor is all that is reqired to put a S370 CPU into a slot board.) By that time, I wasn't paying too much attention to S370 stuff though, as the serious sales action had moved on to Slot A/Socket A by then. Have I misremembered the court case details, or is the above wrong

Tannin

Can someone add a section on the typical operating temperatures for various celerons???

Power Consumption

Can people PLEASE start to add maximum wattage power consumption levels for all these chips. This information is rather hard to come by and would be incredibly useful.

One page says the Celeron D 351 uses from 37 watts idling to 95 watts at full load.

Why is the 351 not included on the page? Gus 2007-02-27 17:54 -05:00 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.18.5.217 (talk) 22:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC).

It would be good to mention ULV (Ultra Low Voltage) models. I know that at least the Celeron M comes in an ULV version. DHR 01:57, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

CELERONS NOT GOOD FOR AUDIO RECORDING?

I just had to laugh at that line. Celerons work just as well as their Pentium counterparts in audio capture and conversion, much as they do in vidoe capture and conversion. Only L2 intensive programs such as games and scientific applications (Gaussian) really show the limitations of the Celeron design. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.29.182 (talk • contribs)

I'm guessing it's referring to high-quality, multi-channel recording. Perhaps someone can clarify the statement, I haven't done anything at all with high-end audio. Imroy 04:58, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Nope, Celerons work just as good as the P2s.

I have used the very first multi track programs to the most current. Never had a problem and the 300a slot 1 actually ran a tad faster in multi track audio mixdown while running at 400-450 mhz. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.108.187.173 (talk) 07:57, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

500 MHz?

I seem to have a 500 MHz Celeron with a 66 MHz FSB. Can anyone tell if this is accurate? I sure hope it is, because I got it from my BIOS. If the BIOS is giving wrong numbers, there's something really wrong. --SheeEttin 22:54, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

A 500 MHz celeron is not uncommon. I believe the Mendocino line went up to 533 MHz, and after that point were coppermine Celerons. Reguardless, all Celerons prior to the Celeron 800 MHz operated on the 66 MHz fsb.

As far as I recall, the Slot1 Mendocinos didn't go past the 433 MHz clock speed, but the PPGA-370 Mendocinos ought to have a 500 MHz clocked CPU. If you still in doubt, you could try using a software such as "CPU-Z" to check out your CPU's specs. Berserker79 09:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, both of you. It just wan't mentioned, and I can't find anything on overclocking, so I was wondering if this wasn't an official processor or something. --SheeEttin 21:42, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I had a slot 1 300a break 500mHz. It didn't last long however. ALL of my slot 1 300a's ran at 450mHz with no problems at all. I still have some of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.108.187.173 (talk) 12:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Celeron D questions

The "Celeron D (Prescott-256)" part suggests that the 'D' in "Celeron D" doesn't stand for Dual Core: "It should be noted that despite the 'D' suffix the Prescott-256 are not dual-core processors.". I'm wondering wether that's only true for the Presscot-256 or also for the other D's as of this date (5 april '06). Also I had a look at http://www.intel.com/products/processor/celeron_D/index.htm and it says something about EM64T... is that 64 bit support? Sadly I had hoped there would be a bit more information about the Celeron D (also how it compares to equivalent Pentiums) in this article and Celeron_D just leads here. And unfortunately I'm unable to add anything myself, because I just came here for information. :-)

The answer to "EM64T... is that 64 bit support?" is "yes". (I don't know whether any of the Celeron D's are dual-core, but I suspect not.) Guy Harris 08:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the D stands for anything. As far as I know, it's just to differentiate between processors, like the Pentium I, II, etc. --SheeEttin 21:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think the D stands for Desktop. At least for the Celeron...Intel has said that the D in Pentium D stands for Different. Jgp 21:06, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

There are no dual-core Celerons of any kind. Some day, maybe. My personal theory has always been that the "D" was to help distinguish this round of Celerons from past ones (of course), and to provide context on where it fits in the line. After Northwood A, B, and C, but still below Prescott E. They couldn't very well use the D designator for anything in the Pentium line anyway, with the Pentium D coming down the pipe. Aluvus 18:42, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

will this right it self or be deleted i dunno not been here before was adding a comment similar to the person with the 500mhz question, on my mendocino 400mhz (rambo) i called it cos it still runs standard 1998 bios and fights well for its age i am in the process of getting a celeron 2.8ghz with asus bourd ddr2 ram etc in the hope that i may be able to play path of neo(pc game) as my duron 1.3 just couldnt cut it. any of you guys wishing to tell me if is worth it as it has small 128kb cache or similar i really dunno about these things much as i am perturbed , as the other day i killed my faithful via 5mmvp4 by stabbing and slicing the chip wires on a small chip underneath the chip block whilst trying to add new heatsink this was only a k6-2 500mhz that i have had and kept running virtually every day since 1998 when it was new and has annoyed me hard, never wrecked any motherboards until now just carelessness and trying to rush the job any help or comments on this skt 478 pentium 2.8ghz as im mainly an amd person????

  micz trick

what exactly is the different letters about i always thought celerons were laptop CPUs i dunno......

"It should be noted that the "D" suffix in the Celeron D's name actually stands for nothing". It is stated that intel used this new name to differentiate this current generation of Celeron from its Predecessors. [2] Jdlowery 04:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Celeron M Yonah moved to bottom of article

I have moved the blurb about the Celeron based on the "Yonah" core the bottom of the article, to put it in chronological order like the rest of the article. While the "Yonah" archetecture is based off of the Pentium M archetecture, it was released after the Pentium 4 and P4-based Celerons and should go underneath of them. Fiskars007 18:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

The D in Celeron D?

Under the Prescott section, it explicitly says that the D in Celeron D has no meaning, and doesn't mean dual-core. Under Cedar Mill, it says that while the D doesn't mean dual-core, it means "desktop" as in the Pentium D. Someone get a clarification and an authoritative source (preferably Intel). Note that I didn't look into this; not enough time. Mazin07 ^(C)/_(T) 00:45, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

For the Pentium D, it does NOT mean Desktop, it means Dual-Core. [netgamer]

Celeron Trading & Transportation

Intel isn't the only company to use the celeron name. Celeron Trading and Transportation is a company that merged with Goodyear Tire and Rubber in 1983 and played a major part in the construction and operation of the All American Pipeline, a pipeline running from California to Texas. In 1998 Goodyear sold Celeron and the All American Pipeline.

http://www.goodyear.com/corporate/history/history_byyear.html Zeos386sx 06:04, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the MMX v. Celeron

Would the people that keep insisting that 266 is a higher number than 266 stop reverting to the revision that insists that the Celeron had a higher introductory frequency than the MMX. Read this spec sheet from Intel:

http://processorfinder.intel.com/list.aspx?ProcFam=51

The introductory speed of the Celeron at 266/300 MHz was matched by the speed of the MMX. This is basic math people. 266 = 266. 300 = 300. End of story. ShadowTao 15:11, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

There's no desktop Pentium MMX with 266 or 300 MHz, only mobile versions (Tillamook). Thus the Celeron was clocked faster than the desktop MMX it should replace (no mobile Convington). Easy or not? Also you have to read it in context to the performance comparison to the MMX as it was a lot slower in many aplication except maybe in FPU-intensive ones. --Denniss 15:44, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Edited for clarification of desktop MMX versus laptop MMX. Specifics are a good thing.ShadowTao 19:22, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Added infobox

I've added the infobox about Celeron. However it does not include Celeron M or the Mobile series cores. I would suggest that the Celeron M would be a new article. Jonathanpl 02:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for adding inforbox on this article. Actually, there had to be inforbox that belongs to Mobile series. Daniel5127 <Talk> 02:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Error in Merom description?

Merom-1024
The new Celeron M 520 is a 65 nm Celeron M based on the single-core Merom Intel Core 2 Duo CPU. It has half of the L2 cache (1 MiB) of the low end Core Duo (2 MiB cache) and lack SpeedStep.

I thought all core2duo models were dual core? There's something wrong here but I dont have the confidence to change it myself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.194.10.183 (talk) 12:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC).

edited for clarity.137.197.85.6 17:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Even if your Celeron is based off a C2D, its still single core, all Celerons are Single Core, There is nothing wrong with your CPU its just fine —Preceding unsigned comment added by Netgamer (talk • contribs) 17:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

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What sockets for the Celeron 4 (NetBurst)?

The section about the NetBurst Celeron is missing information about compatible sockets. As the NetBurst Celeron does not use the Socket 370, then what socket does it use? Could some one clarify?

The sections about Celeron D and Celeron Core are also very unclear about the sockets. 213.65.243.16 18:36, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

It's to my understanding that the NetBurst Celerons largely used the same sockets as the original cores - Socket 423 for Williamette, Socket 478 for Northwood, and both Socket 478 and LGA 775 for Prescott and Cedar Mill. Suigi 19:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Netburst Celerons started with S478, there was no S423 Celeron. --Denniss 22:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

The Celerons start to use netburst when they are brought in with the whole netburst era, they started in s478 and run all the way up to the LGA 775, i believe the last Celeron (D) that uses Netburst was the Intel Celeron D 365 @ 3.6Ghz, but the new Intel Celerons 420-440-460-480 (Conroe-L) have the arcitect of the Core2Dou's [Netgamer]

Megatransfer

After looking at the Core 2 wiki, and moving over to this page, I noticed the front side bus on the Core 2 is measured in "Mega Transfers" whilst this is in "MegaHertz" Wondering why there's no uniform measurement, In wikipedia that's something I'd expect if it's in the box... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.82.202.52 (talk) 17:42, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

They could be wrong? or because the Celeron FSB is on average 533Mhz, and the new C2D's are 1333mhz, [netgamer]

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Celeron M 530

I have an Acer Aspire 5315 laptop with this CPU, according to CPU-Z. (Just bought it Nov. 2, 2007)

Name Inel Celeron M 530 Code Name Conroe-L Package Socket 479 mPGA (No, it's not! The socket has mPGA 478 molded into it.) Technology 65 nm Family 6 Model 6 Stepping 1 Ext. Family 6 Ext. Model 6 Revision A1 Instructions MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, EM64T

Core speed 1729.9 Mhz Multiplier x 13.0 Bus Speed 133.1 Mhz Rated FSB 532.3 Mhz

Cache L1 Data 32K L1 Inst. 32K Level 2 1024K —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizzybody (talk • contribs) 11:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

SpeedStep on Conroe-L Celeron 420

The Conroe-L Celeron 420 supports SpeedStep as shown at http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=278242. It shows the CPU running at about 1.2GHz with a 6x multiplier. Geforcefly (talk) 16:44, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

This is not speedstep. It is C1E (aka Enhanced Halt State), although it may seem to function similar to speedstep. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.229.176.197 (talk) 04:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Heat Sink

Does anyone know if the Celeron has heat sink already built in or if that needs to be applied seperately? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.97.5.236 (talk • contribs) 08:56, January 15, 2008

Other than a few oddities of extremely-integrated motherboards with pre-installed processors, the heatsink/fan is a separate item installed after the processor. Retail packages of the processor will include the heatsink/fan. — Aluvus t/c 23:01, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

It has a heat-spreader, however, if that is what you were thinking of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.124.178 (talk) 17:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

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Coroe-L C1E

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Celeron 220 and 420 are the only single-core Conroe-L Celerons that have their Thermal diode and Extended(Enhanced) HALT State enabled. In Enhanced HALT State the Celeron 420 consumes 8W compared to the 35W of its normal operation. Those are disabled on Celeron 430 and Celeron 440.

Since it seems to be false, or about an unspecified older model. Intel's specs list the same features for the 430 as the 420. --Belg4mit (talk) 23:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the person above. According to Intel's own documents, all Celeron 4xx CPUs should have C1E (aka Enhanced Halt State) enabled, which should allow for a lowering of the clock multiplier to 6x and decreased VID when the CPU is at idle. I have seen evidence of this on a Celeron 420 and 430, so the old statement of being Celeron 420 exclusive was false for sure.

Sockets and Cores

If you include the mobile versions, as the page does, Celeron is available on more sockets than is listed (Socket 479 and Socket P). However if I try to add them, it simply hides anything written at "sock6" and beyond. The same is the case for cores, where more cores are listed in the code than is actually shown on the page. For now I have canceled my edit (after I checked the preview). Can someone explain what's going on here, why the other cores and sockets are hidden? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.124.178 (talk) 17:38, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

The dies are gonna die

The only reason I didn't fix this is 'cuz this isn't the only page I saw this illiteracy on. The plural of "die" (if you refer to a cube) is "dice" not "dies." Why does everyone keep misspelling it?--Spectatorbot13 (talk) 12:32, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

See Die_(integrated_circuit). Both forms (as well as 'die', which I don't remember seeing anywhere) are common when applied to microchips. Arndbergmann (talk) 21:37, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Celeron E3200 and E3300 available

They are the newest Celeron product for Desktop. 1MB L2 cache, 45nm.

Here are the links http://en.inpai.com.cn/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=6908 http://www.neoseeker.com/news/10954-inexpensive-intel-celeron-e3200-and-e3300-coming-q3-/ http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/f22/dual-core-celeron-e3200-e3300-virtualization-stores-65973/

Here's the spec from Intel's site http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLGU5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fatfatfai (talk • contribs) 10:09, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Socket 479 is not mentioned

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Socket_479

That's because NO CELERONS WERE MADE FOR SOCKET 479. Read the article.72.213.14.56 (talk) 04:57, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Archiving

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Done--Oneiros (talk) 04:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

500 series Conroe-L

The Conroe-L core has also been used in 500 series mobile Celerons. I have an Acer Aspire 5315-2153 laptop with a Celeron M 530. Socket 479 mPGA (Socket P). Family 6, Ext. Family 6, Model 6, Ext. Model 6, Stepping 1, Revision A1. MMX, SSE 1, 2, 3, 3S, EM64T. 1729 Mhz, x13 multiplier. 32K 8-way L1 data and instruction cache, 1024K 4-way L2 cache. Data is from the latest release of CPU-Z 1.56 Bizzybody (talk) 06:20, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Celeron "D"

couldn't celeron d's suffix mean Desktop? since celeron m is for mobile PCs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.127.236.51 (talk) 15:11, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Overclocking the Celeron

As i have owned 2 Celerons in my life so far, an Intel Celeron D 320 & the Intel Celeron D 365

The 320 was clocked at 2.4Ghz and i overclocked it with stock cooling and a P.O.S motherboard and got it to run at 2.8Ghz

The 365 was clocked at 3.6Ghz and i had used the MSI P6N SLI-FI 650i board and a Watercooling kit, and got it clocked to 4.7Ghz http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=192019

 [Netgamer]

I seem to recall that the Celeron 300A could be overclocked to 450mhz by putting non-conductive tape over one of the pins; I'll look this up, because it's unusual, although it worked well. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 18:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Needs update

This article is a bit outdated, it doesn't mention Desktop Sandy bridge Celerons 85.219.75.107 (talk) 08:45, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

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