Talk:Celebrity Big Brother (British TV series) series 5/Archive 1

Archive 1

Infobox

The infobox should not be added until the show starts. When it does start, the correct template to use is {{Big Brother housemates}}. Tra (Talk) 15:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm watching too!

Stop edit conflicting me! Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

• I was editing whilst you were, and editing first :) - Go ahead. You update the page.

Only cos I had the window open too long. Don't forget to sign your posts with 4 tildes. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm just doing the contestants - feel free to write up anything else. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sticking to the contestant's own pages. Jammy Simpson | Talk | 20:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I feel this should be locked so that only registered users can edit it. Already there has been several childish vandalsim attempts Stella Cerveza

Not quite sure why people are deleting and replacing relevant information.

jackie stallone was the oldest contestant ever, not ken russell

I requested SPP and it has now been locked. Please sign your posts with 4 tildes. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

yes i agree, jackie stallone is the older than ken russell at the time she went in.

ken russell is the oldest man...idiots

Jackie Stallone was born in 1921 Russell in 1927. Article edited accordingly. Please see imdb.com for further clarification. Stella Cerveza

lol, funny stuff this. I came on to check just who the hell one of them was not expecting to find any answer but you are editing as it goes--Josquius 21:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Rofl, someone added kilroy to the list?

HMs dissapeared

What happened to the list of HMs?? It just went poof!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.2.2.85 (talk) 21:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

The article is coming under heavy vandalism because so many people are going to look at it. Someone just blanked the page, but I've reverted them. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 21:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Can we have an admin on standby to semi-protect all the HM pages as they come up, please, if one of them happens to lurk around here? I'm sending out vandalism warnings to them all as and when but...it's not exactly effective. Jammy Simpson | Talk | 21:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Shilpa Shetty has been vandalised (and reverted) at least once already sheridan 21:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Something needs doing, already i have removed a fair amount of vandalism. This page will end up severely vandalised or a full time job if something isnt done. Stella Cerveza

Housemates' articles

Is it necessary for them to have separate sections for CBB tagged as current events? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

It limited the vandalism damage (to a degree - by giving them a target, if nothing else), and I imagine there will be significant expansion. These sections may no longer be relevant at the end of the series, but I believe for the moment, a large volume of readers using these articles will be looking for information specifically about their actions on CBB. Jammy Simpson | Talk | 21:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Erm, hello, i'm quite new to wikipedia, and just deleted a piece of vandalism on the shilpa shetty page. i was wondering, is there some sort of protocol i have to follow after doing this? Dannyfrankland 22:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Just removing the vandalism is fine. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Shilpa shetty is being victimised by girls becoz shes more sexy than them. In better shape too. I think jack must have made a pass at her and made goody jealous.

Robert Kilroy Silk

Not announced, removed. Samuel 21:29, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

A darn shame! I was looking forward to seeing him humiliating himself. Hazzamon 21:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps he is too well known to have appeared... Halsteadk 17:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean "too well known" you could say Michael Barrymore was to well known to have appeared and Mark Owen Jezabelda 00:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Housemate images

Unfortunately, a lot of housemate images are likely to be fair use. From with previous Big Brother series, it is generally not acceptable to have more than a few fair-use images on one page, and if images were only included for some of the housemates then the article would be biased towards them. A compromise, therefore, would be to have the images only on the housemates' individual articles. Tra (Talk) 18:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes I agree but would it not be acceptable to place screenshots for all of the housemates? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jezabelda (talk • contribs)

Have a look at the discussion here. The main problem is that there has to be a 'limited number' of images included, and having pictures for all the housemates does not count as a limited number. Tra (Talk) 19:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, each of the housemates has their own article, unlike in the main series. The pictures should be adequate in individual articles. --Majorly (Talk) 19:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Weasel Words

In the summer, the BB7 article was plagued with what wikipedia calls "weasel words". Can we please be mindful with this article, that this does not happen again? Triangle e 23:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Donny Tourette Walks?

According to the sidebar, Donny Tourette has walked off the show. However, he was present during the live show tonight. Canyone care to explain? Ixistant 01:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

A reference has now been added which is for digital spy and confirms Donny has been REMOVED and has not walked for climbing over a wall and "escaping". It has not been confirmed on the official site but there is usually a delay in news. Jezabelda 01:33, 6 January 2007

Is DigitalSpy a valid and reliable source as per WP:RS? I'm not sure; wouldn't it be better to quote and reference the C4 BB site instead? Ekantik ^talk 02:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

In a peer review for the article on the previous series, it was suggested that the article is not sourced entirely from the official website, in order to reflect the huge media coverage generated. Tra (Talk) 02:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Does this mean that DigitalSpy is a reliable source, though? Ekantik ^talk 02:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I think so - they have editorial oversight, the identities of the authors are published, they publish accurate information. I think they would be a secondary source, rather than C4, which are more of a primary source. Tra (Talk) 02:54, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Now that the sites have been updated, was Donny ejected or did he walk? The Channel 4 article doesn't say, Digital Spy says he was ejected but on both sites, in the scrolling bar of housemate photos, he's listed as walked. Tra (Talk) 16:51, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, on trhis page, in places it says donny walked on day 4, yet in other places its says day 3. which is correct? Dannyfrankland 23:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

The Channel 4 website and Digital Spy both say Day 4. J Di ^talk 23:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I think Day 4 was when the article was published, since the escape took place shortly before midnight. This BBC article says it happened on Friday, i.e. Day 3. Tra (Talk) 18:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

So should the article be changed? Tra (Talk) 22:01, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be. J Di ^talk 22:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Weeks

In BIG BROTHER not real life weeks run from saturday to friday and it is the goal of the housemates to survive the week before evictions on fridays (usually). Therefore week 2 began on day 4 regardless of the housemates only being in the house for 3 days. Jezabelda 21:39pm, 7 January 2007

What's wrong with a ten day week, apart from it not being a week..? The first week in the Big Brother 2006 (UK) article is nine days long, and it ends with the first eviction. J Di ^talk 21:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I just think its simple and easier to understand and the format of weeks remains the same throughout so there is no further confusion - sat - friday Jezabelda 21:39pm, 7 January 2007

Starting with a three day week is confusing. J Di ^talk 21:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

The weeks should be eviction-determined, rather than Sunday-Friday. Therefore, Day 9 is the first day of week two (the first eviction is Day 8). Geoking66 03:55, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't be eviction determined as that means day 9 and 10 will be the only days in week 2. Leave it as weeks sat - friday as various evictions will take place as there are 11 housemates to get rid of in just four weeks so several evictions will take place each week Jezabelda 00:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Master & Servant Task

Since it's over (and they passed) I'm switching a few things to the past tense. Torontois 05:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Leo Sayer escapes

Has anyone noticed that an article went up on the channel 4 website stating that Leo Sayer had escaped, but giving no details save that voting is suspended.Oli 14:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes I saw that too. Good for him! Good for the show. He was a prick anyway. What a horrible bunch of quitters they've got here. They're going to need to bring in someone else. --Bigdaddyhame 14:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Nah i doubt they will if the evictions cancelled tonight. I think the execs put two more in there than they needed at the start so they would be safe if two left. And now with the third gone, theyre in trouble unless they halt tonights eviction. --Lewisjg 14:33, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

An entry on the Channel 4 website mentions Leo had a discussion with BB about having to wash his own underwear (shock!) he was being a big baby... he didn't want to demean himself. If that's why he left, he'll look like even more of a tool than he could imagine. The tabs will have a field day. --Bigdaddyhame 14:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Eviction WILL Still take place tonight, it has been confirmed. Bye Bye Carole

Up for eviction, then left another way

For Ken, Leo and Dawn in BB7, they were up for eviction for a period of time then left in another way (Ken and Leo walked, and Dawn was ejected). The nominations table currently doesn't list them in the 'Against public vote' row and seeing the discussion at Talk:Big Brother 2006 nominations table (UK)/Archive 1#Dawn, this is because they weren't up for eviction on eviction night, and for Dawn, the phone lines had not yet opened when she was ejected. However, they were up for eviction for some time, even if they are not up now or on eviction night, and for Ken and Leo, their phone lines were opened. So should they be listed in the table in the 'Against public vote' row? Tra (Talk) 15:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

No idea but why the fuck can't Leo wait a couple of hours and then leave if people decide not to evict him? I hope the evicton is cancelled. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 16:42, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Evictions are still taking place. [1] Tra (Talk) 17:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be, but the housemates that left should be kept separate or something and linked to a footnote that says that they left before the eviction. J Di 17:33, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe put something like this:

Against public vote	Jack Jackiey Jade Jermaine Ken (left before eviction) Shilpa	Carole Dirk Leo (left before eviction)

Then mention them walking/being ejected with the nomination twist. Tra (Talk) 17:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the voting lines had opened when Dawn was up but for Leo and Ken several people had already voted, so I think that should count as having faced eviction in our little table. So are they going to refund everyone who voted for Leo? They need to put something in the contract that says nobody is allowed to leave when the public are voting for them. Sorry for not sticking to the subject but I'm extremely annoyed about this. They shouldn't have allowed him to go. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:39, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm it is interesting that you say that, but unfortunately as far as I am aware, the Big Brother rules/contract states that all housemates have the right to leave voluntarily at any point. And no, they aren't going to refund anybody to the best of my knowledge, that's also in the Big Brother rules :( — FireFox (talk) 19:05, 12 January 2007

I really don't like when extra text is added to lists. Maybe an asterisk or something like that could be used, and then that note at the bottom, but no extra text by names. J Di 18:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, they could have an asterisk, maybe looking something like this:

Against public vote	Jack Jackiey Jade Jermaine Ken* Shilpa	Carole Dirk Leo**

And then the asterisk could be hyperlinked to the nomination twist note. It might be simpler, however, to just list the names on their own and leave the 'Nomination twist' row to link to the notes below. Tra (Talk) 19:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe, but I really think they should be in the table because they were up for eviction. If not linking asterisks, what about adding a row for housemates that walked, and adding them in there? J Di 19:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

This is a good idea, since it lets the bottom end of the table show everyone who leaves the house, even if they weren't evicted. It could look like this:

Against public vote	Jack Jackiey Jade Jermaine Ken Shilpa	Carole Dirk Leo
Walked	Donny Ken	Leo
Evicted & Vote %	Jackiey 4.6% to save

And if any of them are ejected, and for the other series where some were ejected, another row could be added underneth to list them. Tra (Talk) 20:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I like the extra line, it's a nice touch and clears things up, and on a side note, with Celebs dropping like flies we might actually see a finale night with less than 6 people! FireSpike 20:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Jack Tweedy calling Shilpa Shetty a "f**king Paki"

• I notice this has now been included in his entry. A source has been cited (and it does look quite relliable), but no-one seems to be 100% sure if this happened. Should it be included or not?Anon Dude 18:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't find it but if it's reliable then use it. Ekantik ^talk 01:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Yep I just found it myself. See Shilpa Shetty where I've written up the whole thing drawing on BBC, ITN and Times of India. Ekantik ^talk 03:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

According the the Mirror newspaper [2] (16/1) and the London Lite (15/1) the producers have stated that the word was not Paki. They stated it was a four letter word which was bleeped out. The source therefore appears to be unreliable and probably should be removedGazMan7 13:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

According to the Guardian, the word was "cunt", not "Paki". I have updated the Shilpa Shetty page with the reference, you can copy it from there. Ekantik ^talk 06:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The source quoted does not use that word. What has Jade said or done which is alleged to be racist or bullying? - 84.69.168.124 11:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

What's with the asterisks? There should be no censorship on wikipedia.--Ukdan999 11:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Channel Four have to cover their arses, and if you listen CAREFULLY to the YouTube copy of the incident you will hear it for yourselves! ([3]) I have a copy on my PC and at the end of the bleep you can still hear the sound coming from his mouth. It DOES NOT sound like "cunt". If Jack called her a "cunt" then why did Jade react in such a surprised way? She is the last person to be offended by profanity ..... maybe the word was something else? Make of it what you will, but this show is completely digusting. Channel Four have let it spiral out of control. Andy Duncan has a lot to answer for.

It hardly matters. According to WP:RS it only matters what reliable sources report. If they report "Paki" we do the same. If they clarify that he said "cunt" instead then we update with that information in relation to a racist row. As for Channel 4 they got what they wanted, high viewing figures. :) Ekantik ^talk 06:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyright Violation Template

Triangle e just slapped a Copyvio Template on the 'Criticism' section but didn't list it properly at the correct page. I just did it to help move things along. Ekantik ^talk 02:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I wrote the first paragraph of the criticism, someone else added the copyright infringing part. Geoking66 03:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

The original criticism bit that was written was GOOD. Then somebody wholesale copied and pasted the rest! Would someone sort it out into a reasonable section and then remove the two tags? You can't accuse people of racism without it giving rise to litigation. Wikipedia could wind up in serious trouble. Triangle e 05:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

According to the guidelines we can revert blatent copyrighted text instead of waiting for this to be processed by an administrator. As the backlog of these pages extends back to December, it would seem the most sensible action to take would be to just remove it, so I have. Otherwise by the time it'd been resolved, the series would've ended. ~~ Peteb16 08:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Data-Mining

Anyone fancy data-mining Carole's Sunday Mirror column? Ekantik ^talk 04:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

These also need to be data-mined:

• Guardian 1 - "Cunt, not Paki".
• Times - Email threats against housemates
• Guardian 2 - Record number of complaints, making BB the most complained about show, defeating "Jerry Springer Opera".

Ekantik ^talk 06:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Also the BBC has covered the issue in depth: [4] for some of the racist comments made--ScMeGr 19:38, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Great Stuff, thank you! :) Ekantik ^talk 06:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

"Accusations of racism" Necessary Citations?

Isn't it a bit redundant to reference a 3rd party source to verify something that happened on the show and can be verified by watching the show?

Is someone looking for links perhaps to the Big Brother transcript? Much of the accusations mentioned are available if they are necessary. --208.44.234.50 20:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Watching the show does not fulfil WP:RS, as Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and citations are needed for most things, especially controversial material. I didn't know there were transcripts available, are they official? If so then we could use them. Ekantik ^talk 06:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

You can cite the television show, but as it's a primary source, only for 'descriptive points about the topic'. Any interpretive claims need to come from secondary sources. Alexj2002 00:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Carphone Warehouse

Hi added a section in the introduction about Carphone Warehouse pulling out of their sponsorship with Big Brother at about 2pm. Can a more experienced editor decide which parts should be moved down to the article and which to be left in the introduction. The same for the Big Brother (UK) article please! Sumit Desai 14:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I've done a tiny bit of editing moving the quote to the relevant section, leaving the main part (i.e. the pulling out as sponsor) in the intro. Hope this is alright with everyone.--Richj1209 16:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be mentioned that because so many advertisers pulled their adds, Channel 4 replaced them public service ads (e.g. Fire safety, Metal Health Awareness) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.3.120.27 (talk) 01:24, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

Alleged racist quotes

Can i/someone add quotes (with appropriate citation) so people can judge for themselves????? [5] Sumit Desai 01:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes but you must show both sides of the argument. The article must be neutral. Geoking66 03:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Added a few. Preetikapoor0 00:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the point in quoting each racist comment- a racist comment is a racist comment, they were sadly inevitable, given the participants. The main focus must be on how racism was defeated in the house by the evictions of the perpetrators and how natural justice prevailed- we don't need to dwell on what was actually said. Andrew Crease.

Prize Money

Dont know about Prize Money. Article doesnot have info about this. Can anybody add this in article? Guddu 06:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

There is no prize money in the celebrity edition. They all agreed an individual fee that would be paid to all of them regardless of how long they stay in. So even Donny got paid £XXXXX for his 48 odd hours! :) Sumit Desai 22:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

yeh, thats right but i thought there was a prize for the persons charity, does anyone know about this?Daniel625 23:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Surely Donny WOULDN'T have been paid as he walked. Triangle e 01:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I read on Media Guardian that he did because of something in the celebs' contracts this year... but cant find the link now! Sumit Desai 02:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Shilpa won CBB and bagged an estimated 100,000 pounds as a prize money. linkKittu 05:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Sic

"Ken Livingstone weighed in on the controversy by stating "The racism towards Shilpa Shetty on Celebrity Big Brother is completely unacceptable (sic)." Why the "sic"? Where's the misspelling or other error? --Sam Blanning^(talk) 01:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree - I see no error. I've removed the "sic" pending a justification of its use. SeanLegassick 02:20, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

(Hardnfast 02:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)) The quote was originally had the spelling "uncacceptable" .. it has since been corrected on this page and on the link it was cited from so the sic is no longer needed.

Maybe Ken actually said "uncacceptable" by accident, in which case the sic is justified. BennyFromCrossroads 23:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Table color needs fixing

Can someone correct the color for jade so it matches the legend color? Timclare ^(talk) _{(sign here)} 11:47 (UTC) 20 December 2024

On the infobox, the colour used is deliberate. It's designed so that when there are several evicted housemates, their colours will alternate between light and dark red to separate each line. Tra (Talk) 14:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Then would it be a good idea to put both colors in the table legend?? Timclare ^(talk) _{(sign here)} 11:47 (UTC) 20 December 2024

There's discussion on this here. Tra (Talk) 18:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Completely Inaccurate Comments in Article

The user "Preetikapoor0"'s revision of 14:05, 20 January 2007 is completely false and inaccurate!! He added "As of jan 19, 2007, a Channel 4 spokesman agreed that patrticipants were made aware of the controversy, probably explaining the recent explanations and apologies tendered by the housemates and their complete lack of surprise after learning about the latest eviction". This is actually the complete opposite of what the citations provided claim, with the BBC article explicitly stating: “But the producers insist the housemates have not been told about the storm of criticism surrounding the programme.”

Can a registered user please remove these false claims?

Another section added by a user titled "Housemates made aware of the racism controversy" is also completely wrong and states the exact opposite of the citations provided. As stated above by the BBC: "Producers insist the housemates have not been told about the storm of criticism surrounding the programme". Someone please fix this, Wikipedia should be based on facts and not hearsay!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.105.56.191 (talk) 19:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

I think you're probably talking about the same section, but I've removed it as you were both correct, the information is conflicting and therefore orginal research. I've removed it. ~~ Peteb16 19:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible to say there was suspicion that the the housemates were tipped off but this has been denied?Fay06 13:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

The Jackiey Budden section seems to have got mixed in with Jacks??? Teapotgeorge 20:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

It was a problem with a malformed <ref> tag. I've fixed it. Tra (Talk) 21:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually i Believe that you misunderstood the above citation. According to the BBC - they do say that Producers insist the housemates have not been told about the storm of criticism surrounding the programme. but they also say that A Channel 4 spokeswoman admitted Big Brother had intervened in the latest row - but only to make contestants "realise that what they have said has been misconstrued in the house". The idea, she said, was to allow the housemates "to explain themselves" to their fellow inmates.. In other words contestants now at least have an idea of what is going on outside. see Are housemates aware of race row? BBC. Also Jade said inside the house before she left: "I know why there's no noise." When Shilpa asked "Why?" Jade replied: "I know, but I can't tell you." NO CROWD NO SHOCK.. NO REALITY Shame of Jade's stage-managed exit Mirror Preetikapoor0 14:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Any way if you ask any body on camera. "Were your comment against someone were racially motivated?" he will immediately understand that he has been accused of racism and possibly and start making apologies. Preetikapoor0 14:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Instead of Complainers?

In the beginning paragraphs, specifically that of the racist comments that took place, it says 'Complainers' when referring to the people who had complaints about the racist marks. While I do know that it would be the technical term, it seems to imply that these people are whining about something insignificant, and thats what you usually call someone when they make a big deal about something by calling them complainers or whiners. Perhaps another word could be used, or just use the ambiguous word 'They'? Disinclination 08:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, that does seem to advocate a non-NPOV. I think its been changed now, however. --Richj1209 13:09, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

57 kilobytes, and rising fast

This article is already too long, and growing fast.

As per an Edit summary by another User, I think that it would be prudent to start up a sub-article on the racism row, just leaving a brief summary in this main article. Use the {{main|Big Brother racism row}} template below the relevant header in order to link to the new article.

I have done this, and the artcile is created at Big Brother Racism Row. It might need a bit of cleanup, though. Trixovator 22:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

It's now at Celebrity Big Brother 2007 racism controversy. Trixovator 23:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

The racism row needs to be highlighted more prominently, and earlier, in the introductory section. --Mais oui! 10:04, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Citation Link question

I just privided a link for one of the quotes noted as neededing citation. While doing so I noticed that the quote had previously been cited from the Guardian, but had been commented out because the link requires a subscription. Many news sites on the web offer their stories for a few days for free, then archive them and require a registration / fee to retreive. What is the policy on this ... seems to me that if we're going to revert all links such as this, then we're going to lose a lot of content that was valid, but just can't be accessed for free anymore. (Hardnfast 20:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC))—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hardnfast (talk • contribs) 20:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

The Media Guardian website is subscription-based, but its a free subscription. --Richj1209 00:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

How long?

How long is the series? The article (and Davina on the launch night) says 25 days, but the final is Sunday - making it Day 26. Squidward2602 17:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Would this be because it does not include the first night? as it was not a full day. NendoShisu 18:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Mistake With Jo's Nominations on Day 21

Jo nominated Dirk and Shilpa, not Dirk and Cleo for eviction. The link is here: http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/news/newsstory.jsp?id=1388 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.197.150.159 (talk) 03:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC).

'Sponsor/corporate backlash'

I have brought this section back to this page, having removed it to Celebrity Big Brother 2007 racism controversy, since I thought it was improtant to mention on here. Please comment. Trixovator 23:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Letter box

Does anybody know why letter box hasn't been used? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 23:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm guessing either they're going to wait for the very end or with all the bullying/racism controversy, it was forgotten about. Tra (Talk) 18:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I've found out that the letterbox was used Day 25 at 12:20 so im thinking that with all the racism stuff flying about it was forgotten about until now Jack o neil 18:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps they didn't plan to use it until today anyway... but I'm glad it has now been used. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 23:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Introduction

We need some Jade and Jo comments in the intro- it is unfair to single Lloyd out (even though she was the most racist). Also Jo's agent died at the weekend. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.141.215.145 (talk) 22:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

Danielle's comments are only given as an example. The lead section might get a bit long if we start including comments from all three of them. It's probably best to leave them all to the relevent section for the controversy. As for Jo's agent, that might be more suited for the Jo O'Meara article. Since that's semi protected at the moment, you might want to suggest this at Talk:Jo O'Meara. Tra (Talk) 22:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Salaries

Anyone knows what the celebs were paid to participate? I heard Shilpa's salary was 350,000£ Medico80 09:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Shilpa's article says she was reportedly paid 31.5m rupees (£367,500) — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)