Talk:Ceb (gamer)

Reversions

@Manusiafaiz: since you keep ignoring my edit summaries and revering back to your versions, let me make it clear why I'm doing this.

1. "He played three tournaments in The International, winning two world championship with the OG in 2018 and 2019. As a coach, he has won a record-breaking of four Dota Major championship tournaments with the OG." is just badly written. Other issues include the term "the OG"; using "record-breaking" (it's an achievement, not an award); and listing 7ckngMad as an alias of equal importance. While he did use this, by the time he became a player for OG and no longer a coach at TI8 (and thus when his actual notability began), he began using Ceb, so keep this in the infobox and history section only.
2. Sports player articles always include (2016–present) on teams they are currently with. Otherwise, just listing (2016) implies he was with OG for that single year.
3. No source for the He studied at a business school in entrepreneurship and management claim, so I'm now just removing it until you provide one.

I've asked before, but are you not a native English speaker? Because this would explain most of your edits that I end up fixing on multiple esports pages. While you don't do edits in bad faith, you also don't end up follow the MOS and other policies and guidelines that I've linked to you many times, (and even try to make up MOS shortcuts to justify yours) so you are somewhat of a disruptive editor. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 16:38, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

@Dissident93: To dear a**hole to may I reply, which I wish to ignore and report to admins, the only Wikipedian that I encounter that always ready to edit war and only know how to revert an articles instead helping build up those. Your type of editing and writing style is so unimpressed too, for Wikpedia standard, despite being native English speaker I assume? Plus, I rarely see you actually written a proper paragraph and with typically deleting, the real disruptive editor. Yes, I'm not native English speaker. Is there any problem? This is a second time you "asking". First of all, I always refer featured and good articles for references. To assume it was "badly written" seems personal reason for you, and only you so far.

It matters because you make plenty of grammar and spelling mistakes and then get upset with me when I fix them. And you realize I've contributed to many video game/esports GA/FA, right? Meaning, some of the articles you look for inspiration could have been partially written by me.

1. 7ckngMad is being used on almost of his career, Ceb is currently two years only. Mentioning two most known nickname is crucial.
   1. See my response above. The name is kept in the infobox and prose, but isn't needed in the lead.
2. "He played three tournaments in The International, winning two world championship with team OG." He has 2/3 winrate on TI. Are you really that stingy, term "the OG"? Well sugar, if you want full context just go with "team OG".
   1. "team OG" is not needed either, since their official name is simply OG. We don't say "team Yankees" do we? Nether do sources.
3. Stated winning 4 Dota Major "as a coach" or similar is significance as being a backbone to OG because N0tail keep praising him on interviews and ceremony since he joined, without sugar coat and neutral of course.
   1. It can be mentioned, but the way you had it was not ideal (as it should be more generalized per WP:LEAD)
4. Not all Wikipedia sports player articles include –present. Basketball player articles does, football player articles does not. I could agree on present part, but most average video game player has less than a year on team thus making the articles "less pretty". (2016-) should be enough.
   1. But the majority of sports articles do; FIFA seems to be the sole major exception. (this is why we need a dedicated esports MOS.)
5. He did AMA on Reddit and said about business school, if Reddit itself is reliable to cite but I guess not. Like I said, all you do is simply remove and judging. You're just waste of time. Manusiafaiz (talk) 06:34, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
   1. Reddit is generally not a reliable source (because of WP:USERGEN), but comments made by the person in question can be. Regardless, you still did not cite this anyway. And you being hostile is not going to help your cause if you bring other people into the discussion. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 20:36, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

@Dissident93: Let me explain the workflow and purpose of each sentences so you could see the bigger picture here, if only you read in first place instead of being harsh and hard to work with because you only know how to revert it. Why you think everything resolve around you? Like I mention before, I've read featured and good articles mainly for references and their words. My inspiration definitely not from you. I know the grammar might be incorrect at some point, but you completely change the words like "He was a member of the team that won" was one way statement. Was he a former member, or for past event? It's questionable how you words it.

1. I thought we already agree on format "He played three tournaments in..."(matches played) and "winning two world championship with..."(total won), follow with names of tournaments if necessarily, just like this featured article. It's so simple to understand. You see, it can be apply for other players too.
2. "As a coach" or similar, I suggest it on different sentences as it separate a different position.
3. OG is a shortened form that might lead to different meaning, so insert a label like team would define it (example; club Monaco). LeBron James (good articles) use player for the Los Angeles Lakers, if you want to fix that.
4. This featured article use multiple nicknames, because someone know them by different names. I could see why you think 7ckngMad name should not be included, but he use it way longer on professional career even before his notability began. Just because he won as Ceb, doesn't mean he should be recognize as that only (within veteran viewers).
5. –present or not, this feels like America vs World system all over again. I wouldn't argue. However, "2016-present" are fine.
6. Here's his AMA Reddit link for citations. You can help us by doing the research and Google by the way, not only me. I'm trying to build a solid articles for him, but you keep being destructive doesn't help. Manusiafaiz (talk) 02:54, 12 October 2019 (UTC)