Talk:Selina Kyle (Batman Returns)

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Considered

The article currently claims that a very long lists of actresses were considered for the role:
Susan Sarandon, Meryl Streep, Brooke Shields, Demi Moore, Nicole Kidman, Jodie Foster, Geena Davis, Sigourney Weaver, Lena Olin, Madonna, Raquel Welch, Cher, Ellen Barkin, Jennifer Jason Leigh, Lorraine Bracco, Bridget Fonda, Jennifer Beals.

The longlist list seems have come from a 2017 Pajiba listicle

I find a Screenrant listicle from 2018 which only claims a much shorter list of actresses were considered:
Jennifer Jason Leigh, Madonna, Bridget Fonda, and Susan Sarandon.[1]

I eventually thought to check the AFI Catalog entry for Batman Returns, their list is shorter again but they do mention several actresses: Madonna (LA Times), Lena Olin, Ellen Barkin, Jennifer Jason Leigh (Variety).

It is misleading to say the long list of actresses were seriously "considered" for the role, in this context "considered" is a bit weaselly too vague to be taken seriously. Some such as Madonna or Sean Young clearly expressed their own interest and actively sought out the role. Others may have only been speculation by the press, or only considered in the broadest sense, maybe even suggested by the producers to Burton, but it is not clear which actresses if any were seriously considered by Burton or any of the other decision makers. Much better sources are needed and even then probably some rephrasing will be necessary to make it clearer who besides else besides Benning or Pfeiffer were ever seriously considered. -- 109.78.204.182 (talk) 01:30, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Don't take my word for it, Producer Denise Di Novi said "Every single actress from twenty to forty-five on the planet wanted to be Catwoman" in the behind the scenes documentary "Shadows of the Bat: The Cinematic Saga of the Dark Knight - Dark Side of the Knight (2005)" IMDB (also on some special editions of the DVD, you might be able to still find it on YouTube Shadows of the Bat at about 13 minutes). Better sources are be needed to show who was ever seriously considered for the role, and not just who wanted the role. -- 109.78.204.182 (talk) 01:51, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:Treybien made changes to improve the article but I'm concerned that the EW.com article added as source still doesn't adequately explain the long list of actresses supposedly up for the role. EW lists only 3, it says "Many actresses, including Sean Young, Lena Olin, and Cher, showed interest in the role that went to Michelle Pfeiffer" but adds "Other rumored contenders" ...

If an encyclopedia is going to include rumors (and it probably shouldn't) it needs to be more clearly explained so as not to mislead readers. -- 109.76.155.125 (talk) 13:46, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2019

Lots of coverage of Pfeiffer in the news at the moment, in response to the casting of Zoe Kravitz as the next Catwoman. Many are repeating her comment from an interview on Good Morning America where she warn's to make sure any costume design includes a way to go to the bathroom. Pfeiffer has been making other comments about her time as Catwoman and posting on instagram: Catwoman mask prep Catwoman unmasked Catwoman found (Video). It's fun and interesting that she is proud of the role so many years later but so far nothing particularly insightful, but maybe someone else can find something new that might be worth including in this article. -- 109.79.166.202 (talk) 19:58, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A 2019 Hollywood Reporter/Morning Consult poll reports "Batman Returns’ Michelle Pfeiffer is viewed most favorably of all the best big-screen Catwomen in terms of net favorability — she polled at +62" (but by a slightly different metric Halle Berry's Catwoman squeaked ahead of Pfeiffer. -- 109.79.190.28 (talk) 22:52, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Catwomen

I found an interview Starlog magazine with Catwoman Lee Meriwether when asked about for comments about the other Catwomen she said the following about Pfeiffer:

Michelle Pfeiffer [Batman Returns, 1992] was outstanding. Her acting was magnificent, and she brought several different nuances to the role. There were also a couple of additions to her character that were unique. I don't think she lucked out on her costume, but ... it was different [laughs]. It made sense, though. They showed how the costume came about, which I liked, because it was homemade and still looked great. And, of course, her figure... Well fuhgeddabout! Aaaarrrggghhh, she was terriffic!
— Starlog Magazine 343

I haven't decided how or if it should be included in the article, so adding it here for now. -- 109.78.242.34 (talk) 15:12, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Schizo

An older version this article claimed that the character of Catwoman was "A schizophrenic, vengeful, and anarchistic vigilante with dissociative personality disorder".

I believe this summary to be accurate and in keeping with what has been written about the character, but I hesitate to restore it because it has not yet been shown and properly sourced in this Wikipedia article. -- 109.76.130.243 (talk) 21:02, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 July 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Consensus to move page. (non-admin closure) — YoungForever^(talk) 01:39, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Catwoman (Batman Returns) → Selina Kyle (Batman Returns) – Following conventions for other cinematic and television adaptions of superheroes and supervillains, which appear to be named after their secret/civilian identities where possible. For example, Iron Man in the Marvel Cinematic Universe has his page titled "Tony Stark (Marvel Cinematic Universe)" rather than "Iron Man (Marvel Cinematic Universe)", Spider Man in Sam Raimi's film series is titled "Peter Parker (Sam Raimi film series)" rather than "Spider Man (Sam Raimi film series)", Wolverine in the X-Men film series is titled "Logan (film series character)", and so on. WuTang94 (talk) 00:32, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Should use this WP:CONSISTENT style, see also Bruce Wayne (1989 film series character) from the same film series. --Gonnym (talk) 09:26, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support - have to go with the name of the character used in this specific media. -- Netoholic @ 08:18, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom and Gonnym. El Millo (talk) 08:38, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ugh. Seems pointless but so long as the redirect is left in place I suppose the change is fine and yeah, consistency is good. Weakest support -- 109.78.220.223 (talk) 23:36, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.