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A fact from Carol Mutch appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 22 February 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Dr. Disaster's office collapsed in an earthquake on this day in 2011?

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The result was: promoted by Lightburst talk 05:27, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... ~~that Dr. Disaster got her nickname after her office collapsed in an earthquake on this day in 2011?~~ Source: "Mutch has a nickname in education circles: Dr Disaster" from https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2021/05/31/dr-disaster-and-the-schools-of-tomorrow.html
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Stuart Memorial, Dunedin
- Comment: Would like this to run on 22 February New Zealand time, the anniversary of the Christchurch earthquake, please.

Created by DrThneed (talk). Self-nominated at 04:36, 14 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Carol Mutch; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

New enough, long enough, and properly sourced. QPQ done. The only copying found by Earwig involved proper noun phrases and publication titles, non-problematic. Interesting hook, but one of the hook sources doesn't mention the "Dr. Disaster" nickname at all, and the other one makes no connection between the nickname per se and the office collapse. (It connects the nickname to her disaster research and the disaster research to the office collapse, but saying she was named because of the collapse seems like a stretch and a WP:SYN issue.) Can we either get better sources for that specific connection or a hook that doesn't try to make that connection, please? —David Eppstein (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review David Eppstein. I'm sorry if you found the citations confusing - there are three sentences, with two sources at the end, one source indeed contains the hook fact, the other is supporting facts in the preceding sentences. I could repeat the sources every sentence if you prefer but I've always thought that looks cluttered and a bit repetitive. Let me know if you'd like me to change it.

The hook doesn't say that she got her nickname because of the office collapse but after it. Which is correct, no? I was trying to make a hook that was interesting enough to invite people to click to find out why she's Dr Disaster, without spelling everything out. DrThneed (talk) 21:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It may literally mean only that one event was subsequent to another, but putting them together in this way implies that there is a causal connection, for which we do not have a source. See WP:SYN. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:05, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then how about (although I like it less)

~~ALT1 ... that Dr. Disaster got her nickname from research she began after her office collapsed in an earthquake on this day in 2011?~~ DrThneed (talk) 21:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- That works for me. Good to go with ALT1. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:20, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article doesn't connect her office collapsing and the nickname. The hook support sentence, Mutch wasn't in the building at the time, but the disaster led her to focus on researching how teachers and schools cope with catastrophes such as earthquakes, tsunamis, fires, pandemics, and shootings, and how they recover afterwards., which connects the two, doesn't have a cite? Both next-following-cites mention the incident, but neither of them seems to connect them other than as a fun fact. Valereee (talk) 19:13, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2: ...that Dr. Disaster's office collapsed in an earthquake on this day in 2011?

Nom has approved at WT:DYK. David Eppstein?Valereee (talk) 19:42, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess. It's not quite as interesting, and one could quibble that she wasn't Dr. Disaster when her office collapsed, but I'm still ok with this variation. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:18, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]