Talk:Cara Mund

Skip to table of contents

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Cara Mund article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

A fact from Cara Mund appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 16 September 2017 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Cara Mund is the first contestant from North Dakota to win the Miss America pageant?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2017/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cara Mund.

Wikipedia

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography: Arts and Entertainment / Politics and Government

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the arts and entertainment work group (assessed as Low-importance).
	This article is supported by the politics and government work group.

Beauty Pageants Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Beauty Pageants, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of beauty pageants, their contestants and winners on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Beauty PageantsWikipedia:WikiProject Beauty PageantsTemplate:WikiProject Beauty PageantsBeauty Pageants articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

United States: North Dakota Low‑importance

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	North Dakota portal This article is supported by WikiProject North Dakota (assessed as High-importance).

Women

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of women on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.WomenWikipedia:WikiProject WomenTemplate:WikiProject WomenWikiProject Women articles

Law Low‑importance

	Law portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Law, an attempt at providing a comprehensive, standardised, pan-jurisdictional and up-to-date resource for the legal field and the subjects encompassed by it.LawWikipedia:WikiProject LawTemplate:WikiProject Lawlaw articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Business Low‑importance

	Business portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Business, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of business articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.BusinessWikipedia:WikiProject BusinessTemplate:WikiProject BusinessWikiProject Business articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Politics: American Low‑importance

	Politics portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of politics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PoliticsWikipedia:WikiProject PoliticsTemplate:WikiProject Politicspolitics articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by American politics task force (assessed as Low-importance).

The contentious topics procedure applies to this page. This page is related to articles about living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles, which has been designated as a contentious topic.

Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page.

Marginalized

@Ronz: I understand the NotNews concern, yet this event has received significant coverage, not just in USA Today, whose reference was removed, but also by The New York Times, Washington Post, and elsewhere. To not include something about the allegation, would be a disservice to this article.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:20, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. It's early in the news cycle yet, as the USA Today and NY Times coverage show. The Washington Post article is impressively detailed given that Mund apparently has said nothing yet about it, and is enough to erase my UNDUE and NOTNEWS concerns. I'm not sure how to summarize it at this point without follow-up from Mund. I'll give it a shot, realizing that we don't have much to work with yet. --Ronz (talk) 23:12, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Vogue and LATimes articles are more examples of the news cycle being too fresh. It will be interesting to see how this impacts the Miss America Org. I'll be surprised if this ends quietly. Whether Mund has much to do with what happens is just guesswork. --Ronz (talk) 04:08, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ronz: IMHO the claim Mund made against Gretchen Carlson, should be included in some form. Moreover, The content regarding this event should not be written by one editor alone, and content not written by that editor be removed.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:32, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mund is giving interviews (https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/gma-exclusive-miss-america-cara-mund-public-alleged/story?id=57352169 https://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/missamerica/miss-america-cara-mund-talks-gretchen-carlson-on-cnn/article_246ef645-bd89-5da5-a443-3808684c2509.html). Miss America Org seems to be withholding comment for the most part. I expect there will be some detailed reporting to draw from soon, especially if Miss America Org makes a substantial response.

It would be better to work on this at Miss America first, where BLP issues are easier to avoid and NOTNEWS problems are easier to address in the context of 90+ years of history. --Ronz (talk) 16:46, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Now with international attention: News Corp Australia.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:25, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting article. It's an opinion piece with some good background in it. I guess it's easier to sell an article when the personal conflict is highlighted, and the author can throw in her own dramatic effects like using titles rather than names...

I'm not seeing anything at Miss America, so I think we should continue to be cautious here in a BLP article.

The Sept 9 Miss America Competition is close now. I expect there will be more articles to sort through before and after. --Ronz (talk) 16:15, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Recent changes - lede, speaker, education

The recent changes [1] clearly don't have consensus, so should be removed while we work this out.

Lede: motivational speaker, American model, and. Areas of notability should be given emphasis. No source has been indicated for modeling, nor is there any mention of modeling elsewhere in the article. The reference for her being a speaker is a press release, suggesting little or no encyclopedic value.

Speaker: The references are poor and demonstrate little or no encyclopedic value.

Education: Again, poor and promotional sources. WP:SOAP violation as sourced. The sources that were removed were far better. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 18:38, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Mariacricket:, @Naleksuh: as the other editors involved in this, could you comment? --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 16:07, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the new material from the lede and the sentence about her being a speaker. Mariacricket had already restored the sourcing and content concerning Mund's education. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 18:20, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The subsequent changes to sourcing are not improvements. If there are no independent sources, it probably doesn't deserve mention. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 22:08, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I have been trying to figure out how to message you back. I hope this message finds you healthy and well. I have tried amending the citations to your criteria. I even added additional information and context from sources I found. I am just trying to update this biography. Please revert back to my past edit and let me know what more I can do.22:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for joining the discussion.

This article falls under WP:BLP, which states: "We must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources."

None of the sources you've provided are high quality. Most (all?) aren't even independent. I think it would be best to start there start there. What independent sources can be found? --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 22:51, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One can argue how independent aaespeakers.com and oparalex.com are, but the latter isn't even reliable while the first is simple public relations that carries now weight and would violate WP:SOAP to use. The rest simply aren't independent, unless I'm overlooking something.

Why remove a far better source and the information properly verified by it? --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 04:10, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Would Cara Mund be the first woman from North Dakota's Congressional Delegation?

I saw inforum.com said Mund would be the first Congresswoman from North Dakota. But according to CNN, https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/09/politics/becca-balint-democratic-primary-vermont-house-seat/index.html only VERMONT has never had a woman in its Congressional Delegation. Now I checked Wikipedia, I can't find another woman from North Dakota in their Congressional Delegation, but there was a brief two or three week vacancy, perhaps a woman filled in then.?.?. this is worth researching. SoCalGoetz (talk) 01:28, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Deleting a HARVARD source in its own award

Interesting to see that someone deleted the Harvard.edu source in here for its own award to Ms. Mund, saying "UNDUE" SoCalGoetz (talk) 01:46, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do you not understand WP:UNDUE nor WP:BLP? --Hipal (talk) 22:50, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Change in leadership at Miss America

There was a contended sentence stating that in 2020, the Miss America leadership changed. There was no mention of causality in the statement and seems to be way, way off topic. I have removed it. Toddst1 (talk) 16:00, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Given the reference has three paragraphs about Mund, maybe something is due?

Melhorn, Mark. "Miss America President and CEO Regina Hopper no longer with organization". Press of Atlantic City. --Hipal (talk) 17:07, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTSCANDAL applies. Unless there is substantial corroboration, we should not infer. Toddst1 (talk) 21:31, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My concern is that the ref has three paragraphs about Mund. Is there something there that is not currently mentioned in this article that should be? --Hipal (talk) 03:33, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Miss America Predecessor Successor

She doesn't have this feature like the others do Volleyingvirgo (talk) 05:30, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]