Talk:Call You Mine

Lead or feature?

There is a dispute on whether Bebe Rexha is a lead singer or a featured singer. Based on YouTube [1] and iTunes [2], Rexha is credited as a lead singer. Just seeking out opinions to avoid engaging in an edit war. Redthreadhx (talk) 10:53, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, although the cover art says "Call You Mine ft. Bebe Rexha", most streaming services and articles credit Rexha as a lead artist. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 18:52, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Redthreadhx: You proposed something but do not have WP:CONSENSUS yet—one other editor agreeing with you does not a consensus make. Most streaming services credit all artists next to each other these days. When the official cover art specifically states a difference, we should be following the artist's wishes, since that received their approval and whatever streaming services choose to do/their own system of crediting was not overseen nor approved by the artist. Ss112 11:07, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Ss112: Thank you for your opinion, but do you have a basis for your claim? My preference lies in citations not assumptions... I'd rather wait for other opinions. Redthreadhx (talk) 11:29, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Ss112: It is false that "most streaming services credit all artists next to each other these days." Streaming services specifically say if the artist is featured. If Rexha was a featured artist, the song would be titled, "Call You Mine (feat. Bebe Rexha)". The Chainsmokers chose to incorrectly credit the artist on their cover art, but that doesn't mean that that is correct. However, the Chainsmokers may have not even made the cover art, and the creator could have typed it wrong. All streaming services, and even on Billboard charts, credit the artist as "The Chainsmokers and [&] Bebe Rexha", so that is what should be put. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 23:47, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Billiekhalidfan: You are honestly saying the Chainsmokers are "incorrect" on their own cover art...right, that makes a lot of sense, and choosing to follow streaming services, which are not an artist's decision, over something directly from the artist. And yes, they do credit artists equally. Spotify and Tidal both do it. They separate separate artists by commas in the artist field. Please, go look at any song with a feature. They might also say "(feat. Artist)" next to the title, but the artists are all credited equally in the artist field, and so users like yourself think every song has all artists equally credited. Also @Redthreadhx: Where is the "assumption"? Look at the cover art, I didn't "assume" anything. Do you think Spotify is run by the artists? It's not directly from them, it's influenced by how that platform chooses to credit artists. That's well known and in fact common sense, I don't need a "basis" for it. Also, please stop pinging me. I created this article, it's on my watchlist. Thanks. Ss112 02:13, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Ss112: Could you please not be rude and use sarcasm? Streaming services like iTunes and Amazon Music that do not credit all artists equally say the song is by The Chainsmokers & Bebe Rexha, as well as The Chainsmokers' official YouTube channel. The cover art is the only source that says the song is by The Chainsmokers featuring Bebe Rexha. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 02:27, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Billiekhalidfan: Could you not be rude and please stop tagging me after I asked you not to? I just told you I created the page, therefore it's already on my watchlist. I'm pinging you because I don't know if you've watchlisted the page and you haven't asked not to be like I have. Also, please properly indent your replies so I don't need to do it for you. Thanks. If you want to raise a ridiculous claim, I will use sarcasm to express my disbelief that you're resorting to said argument. It happens all the time on Wikipedia. Get used to it. And I doubt it's the only source saying "featuring" Bebe Rexha, Billiekhalidfan, but I have not had time to look for other news sources. I'm sure they're out there. I'm really not interested in continuing this discussion, you're both acting like attack dogs over such a minor issue, which I really in the end do not care about as much as either of you seem to. Ss112 02:31, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Ss112: Apart from the fact that you are replying almost one week later, I'm not sure what've I said that warrants being called an "attack dog". You're being WP:UNCIVIL here, and I've told you I'd wait for other opinions. You're also the one who told me to have a WP:CONSENSUS, but it's apparent it's another way round now. Redthreadhx (talk) 22:49, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh Jesus, I already asked you and the other editor to stop pinging me. For the final time: I created this article. Usually that indicates a user has added it to their watchlist and they do not need to be pinged. What makes you think I need to be pinged on a page I created? Also, no, you still have one editor agreeing with you. That doesn't erase the need for consensus for a change you proposed. I don't think you honestly know what "consensus" means if you think it's "another way round now", whatever that means. Ss112 22:53, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well I don’t see anybody supporting you, yet you decided to change Rexha’s role as a featured artist on the single. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 16:41, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RfC about role of Bebe Rexha

The consensus is that Bebe Rexha is a featured singer.
Cunard (talk) 09:37, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Is Bebe Rexha a lead singer or a featured singer? Redthreadhx (talk) 06:12, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lead artist - As supported by iTunes, Spotify and YouTube, etc.—N Ø 13:21, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OTOH the description for that YouTube video says The Chainsmokers “Call You Mine” ft. Bebe Rexha out now. Also, if we're counting streaming services, Google Play Music credits the song to The Chainsmokers only and doesn't include Bebe Rexha in the artist field or song title. Sadly, when it comes to music metadata, sometimes it feels like we haven't improved much from the days of Kazaa. Colin M (talk) 05:25, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Featured singer - The cover says "ft." and there are other sources on the web that support this assumption, including an announcement from Sony. Unless the artists explicitly refer to it as equal credit I wouldn't put her as a lead artist. I had a somewhat related case recently with the Untitled Rammstein album. iTunes, Spotify, etc. say it's simply titled Rammstein (self-titled) but the band itself has never given the album a name so it remained "untitled" on Wikipedia. -- Lk95 14:27, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Featured singer (invited by the bot) To the extent that the word conveys information (vs. just somebody's "take" on it) it is by definition assigned by the band, and so their cover art is authoritative.North8000 (talk) 15:16, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Featured singer based on a preponderance of evidence (not just the cover art, but also coverage in reliable sources, e.g. [3]). Though there might be a sufficiently significant minority of contradictory sources to justify an explanatory footnote. If one is added, I would focus more on secondary RS coverage rather than the metadata on streaming services - it's quite normal for them to disagree, or be flat-out wrong. Colin M (talk) 05:35, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Featured singer (Summoned by bot) Mediabase lists the song as "The Chainsmokers f/Bebe Rexha". Strikerforce^Talk 14:55, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Featured singer based on the users above, and the cover art. I also started the article with "featuring"; an IP editor changed it back again just yesterday, so I have reverted it. Surely this is a consensus on the matter now. Ss112 05:08, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.