Talk:Calgary Metropolitan Region

Calgary region limits

Is there a reference of what encompasses the Calgary region ? It seems odd that Banff which is around 80 miles (125km) from the city is included. The metropolitan area should only included suburbs and commuter towns. Not towns an hour or two away. That's further than Niagara from Toronto. The Toronto region would be like 8 million if it included all that area. UrbanNerd (talk) 00:09, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

See PDF page 12 of 40 here. Banff is an island outside the western extremity of the balance of the region. I agree that Banff is not a commuter town and should not be included in a metro area as we understand typically metro areas. However, for whatever reason, it is a member of the Calgary Regional Partnership (CRP) and is therefore considered part of the region as defined by the CRP.

Note that this map is out-of-date as I recall hearing Wheatland County is no longer a member of the CRP (which is consistent with this). Some investigation needs to be undertaken if others are no longer members and if new ones are now members. If there are more of these changes in membership, an update to this article is necessary. Hwy43 (talk) 07:16, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Ya, I think the "partnership" part is suspicious. I think it means that the Calgary region is partners with these other regions, and not all part of the same region. Seems to be a suspiciously huge region. UrbanNerd (talk) 12:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Region not the Metropolitan Area

I think the article needs to be reworded. It suggests that the Calgary Region is the Calgary metropolitan area. The Calgary Region is not the Calgary metropolitan area. The metropolitan area is the core city with surrounding commuter towns. Not the core city plus every town within a 150km range. The Calgary region is a vast area which probably have close relationships with each other. Not a metro area however. UrbanNerd (talk) 16:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Per our discussions elsewhere, I agree. The CRP section also needs updating to reflect some significant membership changes. Further, the table in the List of Municipalities section should have a 2006 federal census population column for a common baseline for comparison between each municipality, like here, and to allow for fair comparison with other regions across Canada and their municipal components. I'll put this in my to-do list, although I may not get to it for a little while as vacation starts tomorrow and my internet access may be limited, restricted or non-existent. Hwy43 (talk) 07:08, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, Calgary Region is not Calgary Metropolitan Area. The Calgary Metropolitan Area is a census metropolitan area defined by Statscan, while the Calgary Region is a division used for convenience by provincial bodies such as Travel Alberta or AMA. The Calgary Metropolitan Area is much smaller. The Calgary Region reaches as far west as the mountains. BTW, Canmore should not be listed as part of the Calgary Region (it's in Alberta's Rockies). --Qyd (talk) 17:03, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

So does anyone want to reword it ? If not, I can. UrbanNerd (talk) 13:21, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll take a stab at it this week now that I am back from holidays. I will likely make a series of edits over two or more days. Hwy43 (talk) 13:46, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Revamp has begun. I will be working my way from the bottom up over the next few days. Hwy43 (talk) 07:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Articles Relevance

Although much work has been put into this article recently. I still question its relevance. It seems to jump from CMA to Region, to Regional Partnership. I wonder if a complete rewrite or deletion is required. UrbanNerd (talk) 08:25, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

What are you talking about? There is no reason that this article should be deleted! Alberta is separated into six regions, and all deserve an article. 117Avenue (talk) 14:26, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

CMA and CRP are listed under this article since Calgary Metropolitan Area and Calgary Regional Partnership have both redirected here since 2006 and both have an inherent link with the Calgary Region. Edmonton Capital Region is set up similarly. As 117Avenue said, it should not be deleted. Such a proposal would likely garner much opposition.

Comparing within the Alberta regions context, this article and the ECR article could both be improved with more content about the region as a whole, surprisingly the four other regions each have more info on them than these two (i.e., sections on politics, infrastructure, geography, etc). Hwy43 (talk) 14:44, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Deletion may be a little harsh. But the article seems to bounce around from CMA to Region, to Regional Partnership. It's a little confusing. UrbanNerd (talk) 14:33, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Also the infoboxes in both the CR and ECR lists them as "metropolitan areas" This is sort of misleading. They are regions surrounding and including the metropolitan area. It should be changed to "Region". UrbanNerd (talk) 14:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

The boundary of the ECR and the Edmonton CMA are coincident. Although Statistics Canada does not include the M.D. of Foothills, Okotoks, High River, Black Diamond, and Turner Valley within the Calgary CMA, they are commuter municipalities being closely bound to Calgary by employment or commerce. Further, the CRP, which developed a metropolitan plan for the area, considers all of them as part of Calgary's metro area.

I've seen you've made an edit claiming the removed text is complete POV. Review this general definition of a metro area. It appears you feel that differences in colloquial and administrative interpretations either do not exist, or are not sufficient to consider the area to Calgary's south as part of its metro area. However, I've observed that it appears to be appropriate to allow the same differing interpretations to suggest a larger metro area around another CMA in Canada, referencing an overall population figure relating to an as-of-yet unconfirmed boundary of its related geographic area. Hwy43 (talk) 06:23, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

You cannot imply the calgary region and the metropolitan area are the same. They are extremely different. The metro area only includes the city and commuter suburbs, towns, and villages. The region includes the a vast amount of land outside that. Implying they are the same is very misleading. UrbanNerd (talk) 13:32, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you 100% that the region includes a vast amount of land that is not metro in nature. It is our shared opinion that a metro area includes the city and its commuter suburbs, towns, and villages, etc. However, it is not our place to have an opinion that other colloquial and administrative definitions of metro areas made by others are wrong or right. What the following sentence intends to do is acknowledge, and advise the reader, that there is a different interpretation of Calgary’s metro area made by others.

The Calgary Region has been colloquially regarded as Calgary's metropolitan area by the general population, the media, and regional and provincial entities.

Then, the following sentence we came up with in our previous discussions reconciles that, although this different interpretation exists, some areas and communities don’t have much of a metro relationship, if any, to Calgary.

Some municipalities within the region have little or no metropolitan relationship to Calgary in terms of commuting for employment or commerce purposes.

The intent here is not to mislead, but to recognize and acknowledge a different historic interpretation that has led to confusion over the delineation of Calgary's metro area, exacerbated by the recent emergence of the CRP. I honestly don’t see how the italicized text above would be an unsatisfactory contribution to the intro of this article. Hwy43 (talk) 08:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Possible copyvios

There may be some done by User:Calgary Region. I tried checking the site http://www.calgaryregion.ca/cmp but gave up after a few very frustrating minutes. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:40, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

All of the user's edits were reverted here. Hwy43 (talk) 14:14, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh, my mistake. I thought some were left behind. Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:53, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Calgary Region

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Calgary Region's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "2016censusCMAs":

• From Edmonton Capital Region: "Population and dwelling counts, for Canada, provinces and territories, and designated places, 2016 and 2011 censuses – 100% data". Statistics Canada. Government of Canada. Retrieved 14 February 2017.
• From Greater Victoria: "Census Profile, 2016 Census, Victoria [Census metropolitan area], British Columbia and British Columbia [Province]". Statistics Canada. 2017-01-23. Retrieved 2017-02-19.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 16:22, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

 Fixed Hwy43 (talk) 17:25, 9 October 2017 (UTC)