Talk:Caitlin Clark/Archive 1

Archive 1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Riley1012 (talk · contribs) 20:55, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Sportzeditz. I will review this within a week. -Riley1012 (talk) 20:55, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

1. Well-written
The article complies with MoS. The prose overall is excellent. Here are a few grammar corrections:

• In the "High school career" section, the mentions of first-team and second-team selections need to be hyphenated (first-team instead of first team), as they are in the "College career" section.
• "...Clark started on the school's varsity soccer team, but focused on basketball for her final two years." The comma after team either needs to be removed, or you need to add "she" after the word "but"
• "...the first Division I men's or women's player to record consecutive triple-doubles with at least 30 points, and the first women's player..." The comma before "and" should be removed.
• "...and was named tournament most outstanding player (MOP)..." This should be reworded to either "the tournament's most outstanding player" or "the most outstanding player of the tournament"
• "...the AP preseason All-America team, and was named Big Ten preseason player of the year..." The comma should either be removed, or the work "she" should be added after "and"
• "Entering her junior season at Iowa, Clark signed a deal with Nike." Add another word before entering like "when" or "while" to make the phrasing less awkward.

3. Broad
The article is broad in its coverage

4. Neutral
The article is neutral. The discussion of the Angel Reese gesture is particularly well done in terms of neutrality considering the controversy.

5. Stable
This article is stable day-to-day

6. Illustrated
The four images in the article are free and have relevant captions

2. Verifiable
Earwig Copyvio check is fine.

• "Listed at 6 feet 0 inches (1.83 m), Clark plays point guard and has great size for her position." Is there a source for her height? Also it would be helpful to have more context/elaboration on what "great size for her position" means.

I will take a closer look at the sources and finish criteria #2 later. -Riley1012 (talk) 21:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

@Riley1012: I have addressed all of the issues so far. Sportzeditz (talk) 01:11, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Sportzeditz. Here's the rest of the review: Ref layout is good. No copyright issues found in source check. No original research. The only issue I found was that reference 1 was a dead URL, but I fixed that. This article is ready to be promoted to GA. -Riley1012 (talk) 14:39, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Maravich Apologetics

I feel like the second paragraph of the introduction is odd in this context. This article is about Caitlin Clark's career, not how Pete Maravich's career stats could have been different in the modern NCAA.

I propose this paragraph either be moved to Pete Maravich, or at the very least placed into a subsection below the Career Statistics section, something like "Comparisons with Pete Maravich". 38.43.21.137 (talk) 13:20, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

You can't compare Pete Maravich and Caitlin Ckark. Clark has played one more season (4) than Maravich'3 (Freshmen were not eligible in Maravich's era. Clark also has a career 506 3 PT shots, Maravich has 0; as the 3 PT shot was not around. Subtracting 506 extra pts for the three PT shots and one entire season; Ms. Clark is around 1300 pts shy of "Pistol" Pete. While her accomplishment is impressive; when all factors are considered; it is in fact an Asterisk worthy record. You cannot compare apples to oranges. 2600:1700:80D8:A0:AD2C:AE37:CA38:EBBA (talk) 19:24, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

‎ 69.5.134.33 and reverts on Caitlin Clark

This IP has a vandalism block. It's been reverting multiple edits on Caitlin Clark from me and others; always with no explanation and only "Tags: Manual revert references removed Visual edit Mobile edit Mobile web edit" in the edit summary. Seems like some sort of vandalism and/or protecting a certain point of view to me as my last edit: https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Caitlin_Clark&diff=1212425644&oldid=1212420168 was perfectly on point and had valid refs. 1) what can be done about this IP editor and 2) what if anything was wrong with my last post to Clark's article? Thanks. MisawaSakura (talk) 15:20, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

I have to agree. This IP is protecting their own point of view and clearly with no explanations. I also see no one else has commented nor attempted to stop this clear inequity. This is why I rarely edit wiki.57.140.16.12 (talk) 13:04, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

• • @ThaddeusSholto: @69.5.134.33: @Blade772009: @HJ Mitchell: We all know 69.5.134.33 reverts without explanation and edits wars. Not just my edits but other edits on this page too. See page history. See March 2024 entries on his talk page and the 1 week block for reverting ThaddeusSholto multiple times. The block was made by HJ Mitchell. Then out of nowhere Blade772009 comes by and his VERY FIRST and ONLY edit is to do the same revert to Caitlin's Clark article that 69.5.134.33 has been doing to my and ThaddeusSholto's edits. VERY SUSPICIOUS. I am not sure what can be done about this so I'm reporting it here. MisawaSakura (talk) 14:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
    • NOTE: Blade772009 has been blocked for a week by ToBeFree. MisawaSakura (talk) 21:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Degree- studies

What is Iowa's Caitlin Clark studying in college? 2603:300F:CFD:4100:BC32:68CD:6C34:338E (talk) 22:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Add SNL Appearance

Add Clark's SNL appearance to "In Popular Culture":

On April 13th, 2024, Clark appeared on Saturday Night Live, as part of the Weekend Update segment. She criticized Michael Che's previous jokes about women's basketball and 'wrote' new jokes for him to read out. She also paid tribute to previous women's basketball stars who paved her path, including Dawn Staley and Maya Moore. Connie72 (talk) 16:24, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

References

Youth FIBA statistics?

Questioning whether the addition of Clark's youth FIBA stats met the threshold to include or if this would be considered along the lines of fancruft. These stats are referenced/cited in the "Junior national team" section of Clark's page. Would the addition of a table (something like the below) to "Career statistics" section be redundant? I'm leaning towards yes (to redunancy), but thought I'd ask!

Caitlin Clark Youth FIBA statistics

Year	Team	GP	GS	MPG	FG%	3P%	FT%	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TO	PPG
2017	United States U-16	5	0	14.4	.366	.385	.667	2.2	2.2	1.4	.4	.8	8.8
2019	United States U-19	7	0	14.7	.333	.250	.800	1.3	1.6	1.1	.1	.9	5.3
2021		7	7	25.1	.386	.364	.727	5.3	5.6	1.0	.9	2.4	14.3
Career		19	7	18.1	.368	.346	.736	3.0	3.2	1.2	.5	1.4	9.5

Mariacricket (talk) 03:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC) Mariacricket (talk) 03:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

References

McDonald's All-American Game

The awards section makes no note that the McDonald's All-American game that she was on the roster for never occurred, and the article it links to makes no mention of Caitlin Clark. Perhaps it should instead link to 2020 McDonald's All-American Girls Game, but to be honest, I don't know how to change it because I don't understand infoboxes. With Love from Cassie Schebel (talk) 13:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

"Greatest player"

I totally agree with it saying in the lead that she is regarded as the greatest basketball player, etc, especially with all the sources. But please clarify that she is the greatest player in COLLEGE WOMEN'S BASKETBALL, to be clear and specific. This is extremely important to be clear to international readers who were confused about this. 68.234.168.28 (talk) 23:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

NOT DONE. Reliable sources have referred to her as one of the greatest players of all time. We go by what reliable sources say, not jealous misogynists. 174.20.149.69 (talk) 15:47, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree with the decision, but please be less rude to fellow Wikipedians in the future, even if you do not believe their suggestions to be in good faith. With Love from Cassie Schebel (talk) 13:19, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

NOT DONE. Defending misogynistic vandalism is against WP guidelines. A strike has been issued against your account. Consider this your last warning before the matter is escalated. 174.20.149.69 (talk) 03:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

The media is in meltdown over Caitlin Clark

CNN, might be good for something. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Early Life

Due to the large amount of online discussion about Caitlin's gender at birth, I think it would be beneficial to add the following to the "Early Life" section, confirming that Caitlin was born a female: The birth announcement for a daughter born the previous Tuesday (22 January 2002) to Anne Nizzi-Clark and Brent Clark of Des Moines was published in The Des Moines Register on Tuesday, 29 January, 2002 on page 58. BattMom4 (talk) 19:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Misspelling

I am not sure how to notify of editing but under personal life when it talks about Clark being Catholic, it says her brother Blake reminds or urges sister “Caitlyn” to attend mass, etc.

Her name is spelled incorrectly. It caught my eye, though because the entire entry only refers to her as “Clark” after the opening stats. Her first and last name also appear under one image. So for it to say that brother Blake reminds “Caitlyn” causes it to stick out because of the misspelling and because it didn’t simply say “her” or “Clark” as it does throughout the entry.

The reason I came to read about her is because I saw Bill Maher and guests commenting on how her teammates don’t seem to be helping her up and/or defending her against unsportsmanlike behavior. I was trying to gleen if that is true and if so, if it’s actually due to jealousy or if it’s regarding the idea that women seem to have a lack of loyalty when compared to men in the same situations. He said:

(2 days ago) ”Show host Bill Maher blasts women as "catty" as he calls out WNBA players for not standing up for Caitlin Clark who is getting hit from all angles. Maher said that women don't stand up for each other like men do.”

As a female, I’ve had this discussion before and believe it to be true. There may be one other edit. The new Nike campaign has the first two letters capitalized: “IT”.

Thank you and my apologies if I’ve not presented this through proper means.

Theresa SingingMailman (talk) 03:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2024

Specify that she Caitlin is the all time points leader in NCAA Women's Division 1. The way it is currently written is factually incorrect. Pete Marovich is the ncaa division 1 leader, not Caitlin. 2601:601:A400:48C0:9A63:37E4:690C:8002 (talk) 07:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Charliehdb (talk) 13:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

WNBA Picture

Could anyone find a usable WNBA picture to use for Caitlin’s Header picture yet? The other top rookies have one now, I think Caitlin needs one now too. DEverything03 (talk) 04:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Picture

Where did her Fever header picture go? It’s now back to her Iowa header picture! DEverything03 (talk) 05:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2024

On July 6th, 2024, Clark recorded her first triple-double in the WNBA and the first triple-double in WNBA rookie history. With 19 points, 13 assists, and 12 rebounds, Clark helped her team score a win over the #1 New York Liberty. 72.131.83.91 (talk) 19:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 19:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Caitlin Clark

2024 WNBA leader in 3-point field goals 122, 2024 rookie of the year, 2024 first team all WNBA, All-time assist leader in a single season, Most assist in a single game 19 with 337, 2600:8801:9B07:4600:3850:BF11:C438:827 (talk) 04:23, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Rookie of the Year

Could someone please add a mention of her (near-unanimous) selection as Rookie of the Year to both the Professional Career section and the Lead section? -- Ssilvers (talk) 09:27, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Career Highlights and Awards

This section is missing a lot of things:

- 4x WNBA Rookie of the Month (2024) - 3x WNBA Eastern Conference Player of the Month (2024) - Associated Press unanimous Rookie of the Year (2024) - WNBA 3-point field goals made by a Rookie (2024) - WNBA all-time most points scored in a Rookie season (2024) - WNBA first Rookie to record a triple double (2024) Bluelsm13819 (talk) 16:50, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Legacy Section

Is "Legacy" the best title for this section? Shouldn’t that term only be used after enough time has passed to fully assess the impact (and lasting effects) of someone's contributions?

Just to be clear, this has nothing to do with the contents of the section, only the title. This is purely a question of word choice. MiddleAgedBanana (talk) 08:34, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Professional Career

Shouldn't you catch up with Caitlin's current status? She has left the WNBA and is going overseas to play in Europe. 184.59.149.158 (talk) 20:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

3 pointers

2024 three-point leader. 2600:8801:9B07:4600:85D0:CE4F:12FA:7D04 (talk) 01:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Question of Experts Controlling Content of This Topic

Why does this article say nothing of the frequency and intensity of assaults by players on Caitlin Clark? Youmanx (talk) 06:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. 2A02:A020:3C3:5DE3:24AB:3BF5:259E:AF9C (talk) 07:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

If you believe this should be added, you should do so with proper citations. An encyclopedic style with a formal tone is important: straightforward, just-the-facts, instead of essay-like, argumentative, or opinionated. The goal of a Wikipedia article is to create a comprehensive and neutrally written summary of existing mainstream knowledge about a topic. Wikipedia does not publish original research. An encyclopedia is, by its nature, a tertiary source that provides a survey of information already published in the wider world. Ideally, all information should be cited and verifiable by reliable sources. Sourcing requirements are significantly stricter in articles on living persons. Sushidude21! (talk) 00:59, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

The perspective of Black commentators is DUE.

Hey. I do not follow basketball enough to do this myself, but the fact that the article covers Clark as a pop cultural icon means that it also needs to also cover reactions to that phenomenon from critics of that phenomenon. The fact that this article mostly about women's basketball does not even reference the word "race" or even just "Black" or "white" as it describes commentary of Clark as a "generational talent" is a huge NPOV problem that should have been addressed in the FAC process. Like, a whole section's worth of material is missing from this. lethargilistic (talk) 01:16, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

And, like, yes: a lot of that content probably could be funneled into the article on the Caitlin Clark effect, but having nothing in this article about it is just plain unacceptable. lethargilistic (talk) 01:18, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

This should be primarily mentioned on the article on the CC effect with a smaller amount on the main article. The various "assault" incidents, as some have put it, should be mentioned too. Sushidude21! (talk) 03:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)