Talk:Cairanoolithus/GA1

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Reviewer: FunkMonk (talk · contribs) 12:47, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'll review this. Interesting, since this is the first ootaxon article I know of that has been nominated for GA, so it will potentially set a standard. FunkMonk (talk) 12:47, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome, thanks for reviewing! I'll address your points when I have time (probably tomorrow). By the way, this is actually the second ootaxon to be nominated for GA. The first was Gobioolithus if you want to take a look. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 01:56, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, ok. Dinosaur ootaxon then! I'll have more comments later too. FunkMonk (talk) 09:17, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

First of, the intro is too short, it should be a summary of the entire article (with no unique info).

OK, I have expanded it now. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 16:08, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Still a bit on the short side, you could give a brief physical description as well. FunkMonk (talk) 14:34, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps make the section order consistent with other promoted dinosaur articles?

Ok, not necessarily likie dinosaur articles, but I think some of the article structure is a bit puzzling, compared to zoology taxon articles in general. Why is distribution first? FunkMonk (talk) 09:25, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I re-ordered the sections in a more rational way now. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 16:08, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What do the genus and species names mean?

None of my sources actually give the etymology. It is pretty obvious, however, where the names came from (Cairanoolithus = "stone egg from Cairanne", dughii = "of Dughi", Dughioolithus = "Dughi's stone egg", roussetensis = "from Rousset"). Do you think it would count as translation and therefore not be OR if I included the etymologies? Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 16:08, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, better to leave as is, then. Should be possible for readers to figure out the connections. FunkMonk (talk) 10:46, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the authority and date be listed for the genus in the taxobox?

Done. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 16:08, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"the type oospecies, is known from the late Campanian of Southern France" Such info would make more sense outside the description section, under for example history and distribution.

Done. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 16:08, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Remember to redirect all species and synonyms to here. I did it for you in this case.

Thanks! Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 16:08, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Prosauropod egg" does this type have no scientific name?

Not as far as I know. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 16:08, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why are non-theropod dinosaurs in a clade with crocodylomorphs in the cladogram?

I have no idea; that's what Selles and Galobart's cladistic analysis came up with. They commented briefly on the fact that non-sauropod dinosaurs formed a clade in their results, but didn't discuss why crocodylomorphs appeared in the middle of the dinosaur tree. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 16:08, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

All measurements need conversions ("1.10 mm to 2.65 mm thick", etc.)

According the the MoS, conversions are not required in scientific articles. I think that it would not be helpful to include conversions for the eggshell thickness because it would add extra fluff (making it harder to read), and people generally don't have an intuition for how small 0.043 inches is, even if inches come more naturally to them that metric units. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 22:34, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Strange, it is always asked for in every animal FAC i've nominated. The MOS says " In science-related articles, however, supplying such conversion is not required unless there is some special reason to do so." I wonder what "special reason" means. May have to ask on the MOS talk page... FunkMonk (talk) 07:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Asked here:[1] FunkMonk (talk) 09:10, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"i.e. its pores are long, narrow, and straight", "(meaning they have variable diameter across their length)". Not so important, but it is inconsistent whether you explain terms within a sentence or in parenthesis. Might look better if consistent.

OK, fixed that. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 22:23, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Taphonomical could be explained.
"its own oofamily" "Easter egg links" are discouraged, spell out monotypic and explain.

Is saying "its own monotypic oofamily" OK? Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 22:34, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Better. FunkMonk (talk) 07:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"a paraphyletic grouping" Explain.
"dinosauroid spherulitic basic type" Various terms that could be explained.

I did explain it, "a paraphyletic grouping including sauropod eggs and ornithischian eggs but excluding theropod eggs". Is more explanation necessary here? After all, this plays only a very minor role in the article as a whole. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 22:34, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I mean the terms "dinosauroid" and "spherulitic". Most readers may not know what these terms mean (and there are no appropriate articles to link to). To less familiar readers, dinosauroid has a specific meaning... FunkMonk (talk) 07:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still not convinced that that discussion is necessary on this page. I also consider the phrase "dinosauroid spherulitic basic type" to be one thing without splitting it into its component words. I hyphenated dinosauroid-spherulitic on the page to make this slightly more clear. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 14:20, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"the question of why Cairanoolithus is not found in regions with a greater nodosaurid abundance." But are other eggs attributed to nodosaurs even known/even abundant anywhere? Otherwise it might seem like a moot point.

It means that Cairanoolithus or eggs similar to Cairanoolithus are not found in areas with greater nodosaurid abundance; to my knowledge Cairanoolithus is the only egg ever to be attributed to nodosaurs, and it causes this issue because at other formations (outside of the Campanian of Southwest Europe), nodosaurs are much more common, but no eggs like Cairanoolithus have been found elsewhere. If it is nodosaur eggs, then one would reasonably expect Cairanoolithus (or similar eggs) to be found in other areas where nodosaurs are known. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 22:23, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"likely that Cairanoolithus is a non-ornithopod" Belongs to?

Fixed. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 22:36, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Cairanoolithus is native to the late Campanian" Native seems an odd way to put it...

Rephrased. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 22:43, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Dughi and Sirugue worked" Full names and occupations?
"by Kerourio and Erben" Likewise.

I had trouble finding more info on these people, but I'll look around some more. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 22:23, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

OK, done. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 00:05, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"called Cairanoolithus eggs "Group 2" In relation to what?

In his classification scheme. Explained more clearly now. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 22:44, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

" In the 70s and 80s" Spell out, 1970s etc.

Done. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 22:23, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Many taxon names and similar were not linked under Classification, I've linked most of them.

Thanks! Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 22:23, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Many dinosaur articles have a section about palaeoecoloy, which describes the relevant environment and other animals in it. Perhaps such info could be mentioned here, alongside the info under distribution?

Working on it. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 22:46, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

OK done. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 14:16, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice with this context. Probably good to have in future ootaxon nominations. FunkMonk (talk) 14:29, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I will keep that in mind. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 14:31, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Non-English sources should have the "language" parameter.

Done Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 14:42, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That should be it. Hope to see more GA articles about this much neglected subject! FunkMonk (talk) 21:25, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I believe I have addressed all your points. As an aside, I do have plans to get more GAs out of ootaxa if I can. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 19:10, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are two points left about explaining some terms (taphonimical, paraphyletic), just very briefly, in parenthesis or such. FunkMonk (talk) 19:24, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

One more point: "Cairanoolithus eggs were first described as a distinct type by M. M. Penner" You shoud make it clear that it wasn't yet named, the reader will only clearly know when the name was coined by looking at the taxobox and intro... The history section seems to use the name "retroactively"...

Fixed. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 15:23, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think everything looks great now, so will pass it. Go get working on some more articles! FunkMonk (talk) 12:42, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]