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Suspected areas?

• Why is that the infected area representation not consistent with other country maps representing confirmed infected areas? Suspicion is not scientific, and what's suspected must have been ruled out by now as no confirmed cases. The map should only show the extent of confirmed infected areas like all other country maps for the pandemic. Don't understand why it has to be different for India!? I am raising this poi

nt as the representation doesn't align with infected maps of other countries. AnjanBorah (talk) 16:13, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

AnjanBorah I see no harm in putting up suspected cases. I Agree that it has to be updated regularly. However, this can be taken up for discussion. Let other editors share their opinion. What are your thoughts, DiplomatTesterMan, Shanze1, TheRichardPinto, Brown Chocolate, Mayankj429? SaiP (talk) 21:00, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I too feel suspected cases should be removed. After all, eventually this has to be removed as suspected cases could not be life long. I can understand the condition when this was made, at very beginning when their were cases countable on fingers. Also now most media don't mention when suspected case test reports came out to be negative (maybe they report only in local newspaper). Better to remove it now. Brown Chocolate (talk) 04:45, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I think so too. Shanze1 (talk) 05:02, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Corona virus

Please stay at home Laltu Kumar das (talk) 20:05, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

 Question: What is your request? SaiP (talk) 20:21, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Why Extended confirmed protection needed?

The main page for this only has Semi-protection. But this page has Extended confirmed protection. I think that this is too restrictive.Givingbacktosociety (talk) 01:27, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

This was decided by administrator. There were distributive edits by IPs as well as auto confirm users. So at that time it was necessary to put extended confirm protection. This will gonna end on April 10. If you have any suggestion please tell us on talk page. We would edit that. Brown Chocolate (talk) 04:58, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I suggest to make it Semi-protected. Reason: The common page is Semi-protected.Givingbacktosociety (talk) 05:16, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Givingbacktosociety If you want you can request for decrease in protection at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Brown Chocolate (talk) 05:47, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Maharashtra case hit 101

https://wap.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/coronavirus-live-updates-covid-19-cases-death-toll-in-india-lockdown-section-144-in-delhi-maharashtra-us-italy-wuhan-latest-news-120032300112_1.html Royal711 (talk) 05:05, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

 Comment: In Stats section it will be updated with mohfw update later as its difficult to maitain each local update. New cases will be added on timeline. Thanks - Mayankj429 (talk) 08:32, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 March 2020

Number of cases in west Bengal. It reported 2 cases on 22.03.20.20, 3 cases on 22.03.2020, 1 death on 23.03.2020. 103.10.211.176 (talk) 06:53, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done Its unclear what changes you want to make. Please specify changes you want to make as Change X to Y and provide reliable source for it . Thanks - Mayankj429 (talk) 08:38, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Somebody please correct the formatting in the timeline section

The title says it all. Please correct the formatting error in timeline section. 114.29.227.124 (talk) 07:13, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done Shanze1 (talk) 07:47, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Graph on Growth Factor OR Graph on Number of Sick people

To get clarity on "spread of the epidemic in India", it will be good to include a graph which shows either "Growth factor" like at link 1. OR a graph like at link 2. "Number of Sick People". The decreasing numbers on the graph of "Number of Sick People" compared to previous day OR The decreasing numbers on the graph of "Number of New cases" compared to previous day gives the Effective measures on the epidemic at India!

The increasing numbers of this graph will tell us that some more stringent measures to be put in action.Italic text

The decreasing numbers on this graph is directly proportional to our measures effectiveness.Italic text Manchili--195.112.95.126 (talk) 14:37, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Recent CURFEW imposed

Recently the gov of India imposed a full-scale curfew starting from 25th March 0000hrs, do include that in the page too.  Already done The country wide lockdown to be specific. - Mayankj429 (talk) 20:52, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

The no. of deaths in india (as of 24th March 2020)

The No. of deaths due to coronavirus is 10 (As of 24th March 2020, 12:00 pm). — Preceding unsigned comment added by SunnyandBunny 21 (talk • contribs) 09:38, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

 Already done (Mr.Mani Raj Paul (talk) 09:43, 24 March 2020 (UTC))

Mention about India in WHO press conference

Should we add it? If yes where?

India is a hugely populous country. The future of this pandemic will be determined by what happens to densely-populated countries. It’s important that India takes aggressive action at the public health level, and at the level of society to control, and suppress this disease.

said Mike Ryan, WHO emergencies programme director, said at the organisation’s headquarters in Geneva yesterday(23 March).[1] - Mayankj429 (talk) 10:06, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Added to the lead. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:13, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Olympic games

Olympics chief, Japan PM talk as pressure grows to postpone games Royal711 (talk) 11:54, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

gujrat +ve case

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/coronavirus-update-gujarat-reports-2-positive-cases-11585027288532.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Royal711 (talk • contribs) 11:56, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I need editing right Arvin3137 (talk) 11:16, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Debit card Holder no charge

https://www.indiatvnews.com/business/news-debit-card-holders-not-charged-for-atm-withdrawal-of-cash-fm-nirmala-sitharaman-coronavirus-covid-19-601052 Royal711 (talk) 11:58, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

State lock downs - dubious

The section on lockdowns claims that most states in India are under lockdown, along with a map. I don't think this is correct. The livemint article misintepreted district lockdowns as state lockdowns. The state lockdowns are being announced by state governments, which are independent of the central government initiated lockdowns (which are what you find on the PIB web site). -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:05, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

The map is made with different set of sources which you can find in the table of this article. I took state government announcements into consideration. But let me know if you find anything wrong with the map which I can fix. Shanze1 (talk) 13:10, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I think the term "lockdown" should be used only when people are predominantly confined to their homes. Using it for anything else would be misleading and amount to misinformation. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:16, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I agree. But I think that's what's happening in most states per the regulations as far as I can interpret from these reports. How do you suggest we decide which states are under "lockdown" and which are not? And what do you think about the use of "partial lockdown"? Shanze1 (talk) 13:27, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I will keep the dubious tag on for now. If it is indeed the case that something like 700 million people have been confined to their homes for ten days, this is earth-shattering and the sources are too weak to explain it. (For instance, why did the state governments extend beyond what the centre has ordered? What discussion, debate, analysis informed this?) The paucity of the information is quite disturbing! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:05, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. Guess we'll have to wait and see what actually happens and then fix the section accordingly. Thanks. Shanze1 (talk) 14:25, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Well. It is clear now. The PM has announced a complete lockdown and ordered stay at home. I think the map serves no purpose now. Shanze1 (talk) 15:05, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the PM has trumped the states. But the paucity of information is still the same. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:59, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

• Please, let we note that the PM has provided a basic list of essential services will remain open during 21-day nationwide lockdown.

I think it may hopefully integrated into the WParticle.Micheledisaveriosp (talk) 18:33, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I understand that essentials like groceries will be available. But is it clear how they will reach the people? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:57, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Correspondents say it is not clear how - or even if - people will now be allowed out to buy food and other essentials.

-- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:17, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

But Mr. Modi did not make clear how people would get food, water and other necessities during the lockdown, or how they would maintain a safe distance from one another in the cramped spaces where many now live. Nor did the prime minister make clear whether exceptions would be made for workers deemed critical to keep the country — the world’s most populous nation after China — functioning.

-- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:53, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

References

Shanze1 FYI: I have added that in 2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_India#Address_to_the_Nation. SaiP (talk) 15:33, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I've added a table under India in 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Asia which I wanted to add here Prizi 646 (talk) 06:58, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I wanted to add a table under a heading "casualties". Since, I couldn't add here, I temporarily added in 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Asia Prizi 646 (talk) 07:06, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

4 New Cases in Madhya Pradesh

• Please update it 4 New Cases in Madhya Pradesh Royal711 (talk) 05:01, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

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Why Extended confirmed protection needed?

The main page for this only has Semi-protection. But this page has Extended confirmed protection. I think that this is too restrictive. Requested a change in Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_India. Givingbacktosociety (talk) 06:27, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

 Administrator note I’ll repeat my comment on this made at WP:RFPP. It is ECP due to Arbitration committee sanctions on the topic. See the notes here, N.J.A. | talk 12:00, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 March 2020

Death:11 Arvin3137 (talk) 11:15, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Kautilya3 (talk) 11:23, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Whats App number

PM Modi given a Whats App number in a conference today, 9013151515 (Mr.Mani Raj Paul (talk) 13:00, 25 March 2020 (UTC))

Mr.Mani Raj Paul We ain't go to update it. Isn't it? SaiP (talk) 15:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

SaiP No, we will no update this, I just mention for information in talk page only (Mr.Mani Raj Paul (talk) 15:29, 25 March 2020 (UTC))

Request to edit

I wanted to add info on this page. I've added some info on 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Asia and 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic by country and territory Prizi 646 (talk) 14:20, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

@Prizi 646: Please specify changes you want to make as Change X to Y with reliable sources. - Mayankj429 (talk) 17:13, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Relief package of FM Sitharaman

The current article affirms that "On 26 March, finance minister Nirmala Sitharaman announced a package of Rs 1.70 lakh crore to help the poor". I think the article can be improved by adding that "under the scheme, an additional five kilos of rice/wheat will be given to 80 crore individuals -- over the 5 kilo they already get -- along with a one-kilo pulse per household for a period of three months"(sourced by indiatoday.in).

It would provide more a detailed and a more effective information for milions of poor Indian people.Micheledisaveriosp (talk) 11:35, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

this notice has been places in the subsection titles "Ratios". I think it's better detailed than before.Micheledisaveriosp (talk) 11:08, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

WHO endorsement

Why is this even in the lead. Even Rahul Gandhi has more credibility just now.

The World Health Organisation executive director Michael Ryan said that India had "tremendous capacity" to deal with the coronavirus outbreak and, as the second most populous country, will have enormous impact on the world's ability to deal with it.

DTM (talk) 15:55, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed it. Done. DTM (talk) 16:02, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

If discussion needed please do so. DTM (talk) 16:03, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Can you explain what the problem is with credibility? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:07, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

What does this have anything to do with Rahul Gandhi's credibility? It is a fact that WHO has stated. I do not think it is a problem according to WP:ARTICLE. SaiP (talk) 19:19, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Linked Michael J. Ryan (doctor). No problems. If the credibility problem has to be explained, then it isn't serious enough. Nevermind. DTM (talk) 14:53, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

• That quote is taken out of context, and is undue weight at the moment. There isn't a source which discusses India's capacity for dealing with this without also discussing the challenge posed by a large population and a weak public health system. Unless substantive evidence is provided that this does in fact reflect the majority of the sources, I intend to remove this again soon. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:57, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

What context? WHO believes that this is what India needed to do and is supporting it. And the fact that it is supporting is noteworthy. Unless there are other health experts that disagree with the view, I think it needs to stay. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:15, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

The context is that every source discussing the pandemic in India discusses the challenges along with the capacity for dealing with the pandemic (if the capacity is mentioned at all). Mentioning one of those in the lead without the other violates our policy on due weight, which I'm not going to both quoting. If you want to add the criticisms of the India response instead, I'm fine with that; but this quote, as currently presented, violates policy. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:29, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

To add criticism of India's response, it has to come from Credible RS to counter WHO. Right? Would it be fine, IF some content is added citing some health experts criticism. Would that balance the due weight as against WHO? Santoshdts (talk) 18:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

I think we should add a discussion of the challenges as well. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:21, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Yes, precisely. If we have a paragraph in the lead covering commentary about India's response/preparedness, then it needs to accurately represent what reliable sources are saying about the topic, including criticism in reliable sources. Even under those circumstances, the Ryan's comment may or may not constitute due weight, because I haven't found very many sources supporting his position; but it's certainly the only way in which it could be acceptable. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:23, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

• Here is the source, if everyone here means this SaiP (talk) 13:24, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

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Please do not archive on-going discussions

Per WP:DAOHATTHOD, We are not supposed to archive or hat a thread that has ongoing discussion. We should conclude the discussion based on WP:CON. Please restore them.

- SaiP (talk) 19:11, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Archived ongoing discussions

• Suggestions about restructuring and renaming the sections of the article
• Suggestions for discussion

Actually, don't archive anything. I have speeded up the bot to archive 7 day-old threads, and that should be good enough. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 18:11, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: Does that mean that we have to conclude our discussion before 7 days? SaiP (talk) 19:11, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

No, it means that threads that are inactive for 7 days get archived. (I hope that is what it means. Different bots have been handling differently.) If the bot misbehaves we will fix it somehow. But manual archiving shouldn't be needed except in strange situations. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:19, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: I am fine with it. In fact, that is more better but there is one thing which we may consider. What about ongoing discussions which have been idle for 7 days? Ideally that should not be the case but what if there are? If the bot skips that, I think we are good there. SaiP (talk)

SaiP, Kautilya3 this discussion (Suggestions for discussion) was the inactive. If the discussion is found not unnecessary for main article,then it will Close or Archive. Only Necessary discussions will be display on the top of this article page. (Mr.Mani Raj Paul (talk) 02:48, 27 March 2020 (UTC))

@Mr.Mani Raj Paul: I understand. Request you to restore those right away and put it at the top of the talk page. Those are general discussion sections. SaiP (talk) 07:24, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 March 2020

Indian Opposition Leader vs Indian PM: https://twitter.com/RahulGandhi/status/1227536939479228417

https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/1230077171953070080 Usindia12 (talk) 23:12, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done please give us changes to be made in X to Y form. Brown Chocolate (talk) 03:20, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Add deaths in timeline only when MOHFW acknowledges them.

This is important because some cases have a dispute history - For example, Bhilwara (Rajasthan) case. As of 26 March 8 PM, MOHFW hasn't acknowledged it. @Shanze1: @TheRichardPinto: @SaiP: @DiplomatTesterMan: @Brown Chocolate: @Mayankj429: @Netha Hussain: TheRichardPinto (talk) 04:14, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

MOHFW update data to evening wait Royal711 (talk) 05:07, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Agree for now, as we feel MoHFW is the reliable source. Shanze1 (talk) 05:14, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Agree We should only update confirmed cases via any other source other than MoFHW. What are your thoughts? SaiP (talk) 17:00, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

700 case

india cross 700 cases positive Royal711 (talk) 04:58, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

 Already done- Mayankj429 (talk) 11:16, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

How to Ping

Tell me how to reply to user & ping help me Royal711 (talk) 05:01, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

use: {{ping|Royal711}} for @Royal711: - doc page: Template:Ping. Shanze1 (talk) 05:10, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@Shanze1: this is easy thk Royal711 (talk) 05:13, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Add image to Janta curfew section

File:Deserted streets in Ottappalam, India during Janata curfew.jpg

Royal711 (talk) 05:18, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

• Image is good. Should we crop this image a bit? Also I think it would be better if we could get some images of any populer place. Brown Chocolate (talk) 08:22, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
• @Royal711:, @Brown Chocolate: We should ensure the image has correct copyright. I spoke to Jimmy Wales, Founder of Wikipedia the other day on Twitter, he says Wikimedia Commons has the most strict policies on copyrights ever found anywhere. SaiP (talk) 09:18, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@SaiP:, @Brown Chocolate: I also spoke to Larry Sanger, now please update this pics in 2020 page Royal711 (talk) 10:40, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@Royal711: Thank you for being sarcastic. I have never said that we should not upload the picture. I was just emphasising about stringent policies of copyrights of Wikipedia Commons. If we do not have proper licensing, the image maybe selected for deletion. And for your information, I did speak to him on twitter for a solution of a case. SaiP (talk) 11:26, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@Royal711: I also request you to follow WP:CIVIL please. SaiP (talk) 13:27, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 March 2020

This virus was originated in Wuhan city of china and all virus has name of virus location then it should also contain

Spanish Flue from Spain German Measles From Germany Respiratory from Middle East

All virus has either location and any famous name so i believe this should also contain name of city in title Skyrbs (talk) 11:01, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Claims need to be supported by reliable sources. Moreover, this is India-specific page. The matter of origin is addressed on Coronavirus disease 2019. It is off-topic here. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:32, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

I think we are not supposed to name the outbreaks/pandemic after a name or place. Here is the warning given by WHO to Trump on calling it a Chinese Virus WHO's warning to Trump for calling it a Chinese virus. SaiP (talk) 11:46, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Jasksingh (talk) 03:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Copyright Violation

Recently Copyright Text this & this is removed,

I request to @Karnatakapolatics:, please do not add copyright material here.

(Mr.Mani Raj Paul (talk) 11:32, 27 March 2020 (UTC))

• Thank you Mr.Mani Raj Paul for identifying it as a copyrighted text. Request you to link the text copyrighted from as well. SaiP (talk) 11:51, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 March 2020

Hi I am Divyansh from Delhi, India. My email - divyanshwalia0@gmail.com

India has total 781 cases, 17 deaths and 74 recoveries.

Hope that my change gets added to the article and people know the right thing.

}} 182.69.97.90 (talk) 13:20, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done Thanks for your update. But as of now, we only believe cases numbers mention by MOHFW. Cheers Brown Chocolate (talk) 13:30, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Request you to please provide a reliable source when requesting to update something. Claims need to be supported by reliable sources. Thanks for understanding. SaiP (talk) 13:34, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

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The no. of cases in India is 1036. (Including foreign nationals)(Source- www.covid19india.org ) SunnyandBunny 21 (talk) 04:47, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done Hi SunnyandBunny 21. We are using MoFHW as primary source for now. However, there is a discussion going on about this here. You are welcomed to participate in it. SaiP (talk) 05:49, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 March 2020

The number of cases reported by Worldometer is significantly less than the official reports from the government. Please use the government data in graphs.

Another good source for information could be https://www.covid19india.org/. Aditya Abhas (talk) 09:26, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Please participate in other threads discussing the issues of data. It is also unclear where you are seeing Worldometers data. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:08, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

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