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Academic life

I believe we should include academic life, so high school students would learn what they will encounter. Some suggestions are the english (or french?) exit exam, the cote r or I preferably call it CRC, the expensive books, or the freedom of scheduling.--Janarius 13:28, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Do not add if you did not complete a year of CEGEP

"Most Quebec university programs are three years in length for Quebec students, so the total number of years of study from primary school to a Bachelor's degree is the same as in the rest of North America"

I wish people would write more clearly.

NO! NO! NO!

the total number of years of study from primary school to *****START**** a Bachelor's degree is the same as in the rest of North America.

If it only takes 3 years to obtain a degree then Quebecers go to school minus 1 year to obtain a degree than the rest of North America! I'm sure there are some places in The U.S where you can get a degree in 3 years. There are probably some places where you can probably even get a degree without even going to school(private money grabbing colleges):)

All I know is they get 1 more year of a better life...unlike in god forsaken Ontario where we were tortured for 5 year to even attempt university application. It took Ontario them 30 years to figure out that we were being over schooled. While the U.S and Quebec went on with life much earlier

Since when does a secondary school grant degrees? Degree granting is only reserved to those post-secondary institutions that have been granted the right to do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.8.72.202 (talk) 19:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Differences between cegep and community college

Most Quebec university programs are three years in length for Quebec students, so the total number of years of study from primary school to a Bachelor's degree is the same as in the rest of North America

Differences between cegep and community college

Can anyone write the difference between a community college and a cegep?--Janarius 19:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Community college are not like CEGEP's. Before 1967, some technical degrees at the CEGEP were given at Quebec Universities in a 3 year program.

Community College in the USA are more like vocational schools. There is no Truck driving programs or paramedic courses in CEGEP'S

But Dawson College, for example, does offer nursing. The problems coming up on this talk page must be addressed in the article! The distinction exists nowhere else in North America and is therefore naturally difficult for anyone outside Québec to understand. A CÉGEP is a mandatory precursor to university in Québec (where high school ends at grade 11, or secondaire V in French), which is its main distinguishing feature from other community colleges and vocational schools. Msanford (talk) 01:14, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The main difference is that in Québec a student coming out of high school HAS to go to cegep and get a pre-university degree before they can get into university. The overall number of years of study to the end of a Bachelor's degree is the same -- cegeps essentially replace the last year of high school (grade 12) and the first year of university, with almost all Bachelor degrees taking three years instead of four. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.221.53.216 (talk) 01:19, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested move

I am planning to move this article to "CEGEP" to align with the decision by WikiProject Canada: Wikipedia:WikiProject Education in Canada#Decisions from previous discussions --Cpastern 21:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, please do so. The English name is CEGEP and nothing but. --65.94.94.215 14:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely agree--65.94.229.218 00:13, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hang on. I agree that should be moved ... but to CEGEP or Cegep? (current Candian oxforrd lists it as CEGEP abbreviation also Cegep) Nfitz 20:53, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- ah, it should go to CEGEP ... as per discussion at previous discussion Nfitz 20:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Just tried moving - needs administrator to do, because of page history of past redirects at CEGEP; given very clear-cut guidelines, I don't see that this needs to be listed at WP:Requested moves if there is an Admin here who could do it. Nfitz 21:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Programs offered

"Examples of programs are: Instrumentation Automation Robotics, Architectural Technology, Nursing, Building Engineering Technology, Computer Science and ect."

Is ect short for some Quebec post secondary program (European Car Technology, Ear Candling Technologist), or do we mean etc. as in etcetera?

Incidentally, Its generally preferable not to use etcetera or etc. in serious writing. -Dhodges 16:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DEC

Text says "Diploma of Collegial Studies (DCS), also known as the "DEC", from the French Diplôme d'études collégiales." which appears to be factually correct. But what do people call them? When I was in Cegep (both Vanier and Dawson), we always called it a DEC, not a DCS. Now that was a couple of decades ago - what is the current usage? Nfitz 20:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Current usage is almost excusively DEC - it's all I've ever heard.

Anglophones exclusively use DEC (pronunciation: [dek]) to refer to their diploma (as do francophones, but that is not anomalous). --Msanford (talk) 01:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Equivalence to American diplomas

I’m just wondering, what is a 3-year vocational DEC equivalent to? An associate’s degree? Bachelor’s? — NRen2k5 15:54, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is definitely not equivalent to a bachelor; in fact universities will accept student students with a 3-year DEC in the bachelor degree at the same level than those who have done a 2-year degree. (Some people will do that so that with only one year more of studies, they can get a professional well-paid job while they complete their university studies part-time.) From what I see at the Associate's degree page, I would say it is similar to a DEC. UnHoly 17:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Education path additions (outside Québec)

I have added information based on my own experience applying from CÉGEP, with a DEC, to an Ontario university. I am familiar with the policies I have claimed exist, but a citation is still needed. However, as such policies are institutionally-dependant, and not regulated by provincial (or state, AFAIK) governments, citations will be hard to come by. Suggestions on ways to clean up the fact-ness of it are welcome! Msanford (talk) 01:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

question...

This article does not explain why secondary schools only go to grade eleven in Quebec. Nor does it seem to wikilink to an article that might explain this.

I have always wondered about this. Geo Swan (talk) 15:29, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because it's the way it is, that's all. Blame the education system reforms in the late 60s.

Each country has its own education system and in some cases, the states or provinces in certain countries might differentiate their education system if the federal government is not responsible of education. In Quebec, the government decided to instaure a system that permits students to have a transition year between high school and university. Also, CÉGEPs permit some students to complete a technical or career program, which allows them to enter the job market after usually three years of post-secondary education. Lastly, the CÉGEPs in Quebec reduce the number of years required to complete a bachelor's degree in university. Instead of four years in most countries, such a degree can be completed in two or three years by Québécois students. --MaxDawsonC (talk) 02:10, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. So, thats the way it is. Geo Swan (talk) 02:52, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Same reason Ontario used to have Grade 13, and still have junior kindergarten... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.190.182.115 (talk) 17:52, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Up to the 1960s, French schools in Quebec had four years of high school and then four years of "collège classique" before university. That meant 14 years of education before four years of university, a total of 18 years of education (6+4+4+4) to finish a bachelors degree. With the education reforms, high school was changed to five years, plus two years CEGEP (replacing the college classiques) and university bachelor's degrees were cut to three years to make a total of 16 years (6+5+2+3), the same as in the rest of North America.

I agree that CEGEP has become a word in Québec French, but it is written cégep (no capitals). If it has also become a word rather than an acronym in English, should we not lose the capitalization and write it as cegep? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsbryce (talk • contribs) 14:37, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Content

Most of the content of this article is not specific to Cégeps, but to the Quebec college system as a whole. I would like help moving the content to the appropriate article College (Quebec), and making this article about what it should be, the Cégep system.--UnQuébécois (talk) 00:01, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Examples where Cegep is used to refer to all Colleges in Québec or the College level

[1] [2] [3] [4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Notwillywanka (talk • contribs) 22:51, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Draft:College (Québec)" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Consistency in spelling of "CEGEP:

Should "CEGEP" be spelled consistently using the acronym "CEGEP", without the "É", or "CÉGEP", with it? Currently, the article is littered with inconsistencies that ought to be remedied. Casspedia (talk) 22:46, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]