Talk:C3 Church Global

History

Does this movement have any connection with the Christian City founded by Theo Wolmarans in Elandsfontein, South Africa?

I don't think so, he's not listed on http://www.c3iglobal.org/default.asp?page=churches&region=Africa. But he has spoken at CCC Oxford Falls.[1] peterl 10:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, is there any connection with the Christian Centres founded by Fred Roberts in Durban in the early 1970s, which seems to have preceded the movement described on these pages? SteveH 07:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

C31 and CCCOF Split

Please note the pages for Christian City Churches International (this one) and CCC Oxford Falls have been split. This is to eliminate over crowding on this page. Please include any information on the movement here and any information on the specific church at its page. Duplication may occur in some cases, and should not be deleted if the information is relevent to both pages. User:russellocarroll

Material duplication and poor weighting

The long sections about Phil and Chris Pringle are duplicated in their own article. This is not acceptable and either that article must be deleted, or the detailed info here must be merged into their own article. For an article about a church, I do also think that it is a little too heavily slanted on the leaders, a mention here of who, when and why (in terms of the church's history) is appropriate, with a link to more detailed info elsewhere about the leaders. Currently the poor weighting of the article makes it look as if the leadership is the most important part of this church, rather than its mission - and I'm sure that is not the intention. To compare with an article about a movie - I would expect to see more much material about the plot than the cast. (I'll leave aside comments that these parts are written like a glossy brochure.) Halsteadk 21:44, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Following sterling work by anon User:203.46.255.180, my comment above is no longer relevant. --Halsteadk 19:43, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

• • Any material deleted from this page - Must be included on the specific pages, not simply deleted - it is incredibly frustrating to find detailed information removed rather then moved. If the issue is duplication then fine, move the information do not simply delete it. User:russellocarroll

Weird Wording

What does "(currently has a membership of $6,000,000+)" in the History section actually mean. Can money be a member of something? And where does this figure come from?

It doesn't have a dollar symbol in the write up! It's talking about number of PEOPLE.

It is because the businesspeople (aka pastors) who own these churches view their members in terms of the income they provide. I guess they have made $6million by exploiting the vulnerable souls who are desperate to purchase happiness and meaning in their lives.

That info was clearly a mis-type, and has been corrected for a long time. Check the article. peterl 20:17, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

External links

The list of links in this article is inappropriately long and needs to be shortened. I propose that all except the CCC International link are removed, as all CCC websites can be easily accessed from there. Please see Wikipedia:External links for the basis of this. Halsteadk 19:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Please note that I will remove the inappropriate links from the article if there are no objections made (in relation to the quoted Wikipedia guideline), in 7 days. Halsteadk 12:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with your proposal. -- Barrylb 14:56, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. As there have been no objections and it is now 7 days, I have removed the links and added a hidden note to discourage re-adding. I suggest if links are re-added without going through discussion first, they are simply reverted. Halsteadk 12:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Could a separate article for a list of CCC churches be a reasonable request? --Paradox CT 07:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I've added a link to the c3i page that has links to all the member churches. The issue here is that there is too many links to the member churches in Wikipedia, they change quite often, and c3i does a better job of keeping that updated. peterl 11:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Um, I thought we weren't going to have links to member churches. There's way mre than listed; they change all the time; there's already good links from the c3i page at the bottom. Can I have some consensus to remove them from here? Thanks peterl 09:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll be removing the links in 7 days if there are no objections with substantial reasons, per Wikipedia:External links. peterl 20:23, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I have removed this section as promised. Please don't reinstate it without discussing first. But there are plenty of reasons to not include the table here: it was very incomplete, there is an adequate third-party linked page that has all the member churches (at c3iglobal), it changes too often to keep up to date, it would be too large (over 200 and growing). peterl 11:38, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Third-party references badly needed

The article mentions "both positive and critical" news articles, but doesn't link to any of either type. Some of these might provide factual support, which is badly needed, for the information in this article. MarkPritchard 02:29, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Reference 2 and 3 both point to the same article "God's Millionaires." I don't know how to change citations, but they should be combined into one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monkeysocks2 (talk • contribs) 22:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:06, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Christian City Churches International is C3 Church Global, from what their website says.

Also, the link to their main website is now outdated. It's now http://www.c3churchglobal.com/

"As of 2008 there over" should be "As of 2008 there are over".

I was also wondering about the claim about the "highest-selling religious pop song since 1970". Hillsong's album "For All You've done" was the best-selling religious album of all time in Australia and that was released in 2004. Surely a Hillsong would have better sales? Or perhaps because "Here We Go" was a single or something? Would somebody please clarify this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.227.181 (talk) 08:33, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

"Prosperity Gospel"

Please add all discussion about calling C3 a "prosperity gospel" church here. This is a serious accusation and requires very good sources to be added to the article. Sources will be needed to determine that the definition of C3's position on tithing is, in fact, completely aligned with that of prosperity theology. Eventhewise (talk) 11:51, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Page protection warning

To all anon contributors. As you are all incapable of using edit summaries, sources or the article talk page to substantiate your edits, I intend to apply for page protection. You will then not be able to edit the article at all. This would be a shame if your contributions are actually true as I strongly believe the article needs to be correct and truthful - but it must be sourced. It's up to you if you are going to clean up your act, or page protection is the only sensible option due to the numbers of IP addresses involved (even though I realise it's only 1 or 2 people). Halsteadk (talk) 13:20, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Difficult paragraph

I've moved this paragraph from the main article to here to get support and info on this issues.

Since C3 was "founded in Australia in 1980, the church has suffered multiple scandals within its own ranks. More than one pastor has been charged with fraud. Another was accused of covering up the sexual abuse of a young boy."[2][3]

I see the issues as:

• Scandals

Supported by the c3watch ref, but hard to find other sources. I'm not sure that c3watch can be classed as WP:RS. Comments?

• Charged with fraud

Mentioned in the path.com article. I don't know patch, but I'm not sure it would pass for WP:RS.

There's clearly this one Ashville Nicholas Dimitris [4][5][6]

And this one[7]

But are there more?

• Sexual abuse

Reading through that page, seems that is referring to "Pastor Trevor Russell". Found this ref [8] so that fact is confirmed, but can't find any refs tying him to C3. There's an account at [9], but the links to the Adelaide newspaper are broken.

Can anyone else find good refs to support these assertions so it can be added back in? peterl (talk) 11:22, 29 November 2017 (UTC)