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The origin of a joke?

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Does anyone know who was the first person to parody the refrain of a well-known hymn using the words, "My hope is built on nothing less, than Scofield notes and Moody Press." ? DFH 17:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I originated this joke in 1993 as "My hope is built on nothing less than Zondervan and Moody Press." Ἀλήθεια (talk) 20:37, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nah, it's much older than that. Note the chapter title in Canfield (1988)--John Foxe (talk) 20:53, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ah... caught. I guess I have to change my username now. Ἀλήθεια (talk) 21:00, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Zondervan? You mean Rupert Murdoch? (PeacePeace (talk) 00:22, 18 May 2019 (UTC))[reply]

Citations

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There is a problem with this footnote: "Scofield's early life remains controverted. It seems virtually certain that Scofield deliberately provided inaccurate information to Who's Who and to his biographer, Charles Trumball." "It seems" are weasel words, are they not? If it seems that Scofield deliberately provided inaccurate information about himself then the reader needs to know what proof there is that shows he deliberately provided inaccurate information. This footnote opens up more questions. It could be the product of a bias against Scofield, unless it can be proven that this really occurred, using a credible source. This portion of the article appears rather biased, as if to cast a negative light on Scofield. A source is needed to back up the footnote information. 67.142.130.12 (talk) 21:28, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was trying to being careful when I wrote that footnote. Read the Who's Who entry (for which Scofield provided the information) and then try to find evidence for the material given there. For instance, Scofield claims that he was enlisted for a longer period than evidence suggests and fought at battles where his unit did not appear. If we need to spell out the problems, that can be done.--John Foxe (talk) 00:38, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Here are two sources to that effect: Joseph Canfield's "The Incredible Scofield and His Book" (1988) and David Lutzweiler's "DispenSinsationalism: C. I. Scofield's Life and Errors" (2006). More general information about the shady origins of pre-trib rapture belief can be found in Dave MacPherson's "The Rapture Plot" (1994). Jonas Liljeström (talk) 16:27, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You have not given any two sources to prove that Scofield was in jail. "May have" is speculation. Canfield is an unreliable polemicist. Moreover, don't you quote Canfield as admitting there is no proof? And the very title of Lutzweiler discredits him as a reliable source for such an article as this. He bad-mouths Scofield without proof, assuming the worst. The claim that Scofield deliberately fed lies to Who's Who is not supported by a reliable source either. That comment needs deleting. Also, you need proof of jail time if you have it. Otherwise, "may have" is just a way of quasi-libel. You need proof by way of citing some communication Scofield made to Who's Who and showing how they took what they wrote from what he said. Otherwise, this needs deleting.
As to the jab on Pre-Trib, if you follow either the crazy-Scot girl or the Jesuit plot theories, you are misinformed. There is no shady origin to the theory. MacPherson is unreliable. Dispensational eschatological theory is a way of trying to put the whole Bible together based using a distinction between Israel and the Church.
As I read Shepherd of Hermas, I find a denial that the Church goes through the Tribulation. Also one needs to consider "Ephraem of Nisibis": “On the Last Times, the Antichrist & the End of the World,” Section 2: “All the saints & elect of God are gathered together before the tribulation, which is to come & are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins.” This writing apparently goes back before the 8th Century AD, not to mention 1 Thes 4-5 which is first century AD and has end of 1 Thes 4 Rapture, start of 1 Thes 5 Day of the Lord, Trib.
BTW, if you look up Canfield's book on Amazon, you will find an excellent detailed review of it.(EnochBethany (talk) 02:52, 23 September 2013 (UTC))[reply]
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Hal Lindsey Reference

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Article says (without any source cited) "It was largely through the influence of Scofield's notes that dispensational premillennialism became influential among fundamentalist Christians in the United States, and these notes became a significant source for popular religious writers such as Hal Lindsey." If somebody has proof that Hal Lindsey referred to Scofield's notes, please produce the evidence with a good source, or the statement about Lindsey should be deleted. (PeacePeace (talk) 00:06, 18 May 2019 (UTC))[reply]

Controversial

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While Scofield's Bible Commentary has become staple food for many churches and ministries, it is rather strange, that this was received rather uncritically. He essentially broke with standard Christian teachings of the last 1800 years and introduced several novelties. Or shall we say redefined a view things. E.g. the dispensationalism, the emphasis on a rapture, the role of Jews/Israel, etc. One wonders why that was taken over so uncritically by the so-called evangelicals over time. And also what lead to the success of the bible commentary. I realize there are critics of Scofield, but it appears to be a minority position. By others he is either ignored, since their sources are more academic. Or he and his writings are embraced as pearls of wisdom. The article should contain more notes on the controversy and controversial topics and present the various perspectives. 105.0.2.142 (talk) 11:19, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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