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During World War II Beuthen's Jews were herded into a ghetto

This is simply not given by the source. Beuthen/Bytom is only mentioned twice in the presented book (and only in footnotes) and it's only mentioned that a transport from Beuthen arrived at Auschwitz on 15 February 1942. In general Ghettos didn't exist inside Germany, they were established in the occupied territories. Unless someone presents a source clearly stating a Jewish ghetto existed in Beuthen the article is rather a case for deletion (the fate of the Jewish congregation should be included in the Bytom article). HerkusMonte (talk) 11:43, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Holocaust Home Page [1] provides a list entitled Ghettos & Other Jewish Communities, among them"
  1. Amsterdam
  2. Bedzin (Bendsburg)
  3. Belzyce
  4. Berlin
  5. Beuthen (Bytom) brief info
  6. Biecz
  7. Bielsko (Bielitz)
  8. Bochnia
  9. Borek Falecki
  10. Braila, Rumania
  11. Bratislava
  12. Brody
  13. Brussels
  14. Brzeziny (Lowenstadt)
  15. Bucharest
  16. Buczacz, Poland
  17. Budapest
  18. Busko-Zdroj
  19. Chernovtsy
  20. Chmielnik
  21. Czestochowa
  22. Czortkow
  23. Dabrowa Tarnowska
  24. Dombrowa Gornicza
  25. Dresden, Germany
  26. Drohobycz
  27. Dzialoszyce
  28. France (UGIF)
  29. Frystzak
  30. Glusk
  31. Gorzkowice
  32. Grabow
  33. Grodno, Poland (Belarus)
  34. Harbin,_Manchukuo
  35. Hrubieszow
  36. Izbica
  37. Jaslo
  38. Jezow
  39. Kalusch, Poland (Ukraine)
  40. Kamiensk
  41. Kielce
  42. Klodada (Tonningen)
  43. Kolin
  44. Koln (Cologne), Germany
  45. Kolo (Muhlental)
  46. Kolomyja (Kolomea)
  47. Koniecpol
  48. Konskie
  49. Konskowola
  50. Kosow Lacki
  51. Krakow
  52. Krasnystaw-Izbica
  53. Kroscienko (II)
  54. Krosniewice
  55. Kutno
  56. Lagow
  57. Lancut
  58. Lentschutz (Leczyca)
  59. Lodz (Litzmannstadt)
  60. Lomzha
  61. Lowenstadt (Brzeziny)
  62. Lowicz
  63. Lublin
  64. Lukow, Poland
  65. Lvov (Lemberg)
  66. Mainz
  67. Michalovce
  68. Miedzyrzec Podlaski
  69. Modliborzyce
  70. Nadworna
  71. Nowy Sacz (Neu-Sandez)
  72. Nowy Targ (Neumarkt)
  73. Obodovka
  74. Oleszno
  75. Olomouc (Olmutz)
  76. Olpiny
  77. Opatow
  78. Opoczno
  79. Opole
  80. Osjakow
  81. Ostrowiec
  82. Otwock
  83. Ozorkow
  84. Pabiance
  85. Pacanow
  86. Pajeczno (Pfeilstett)
  87. Piaski Luterskie
  88. Piotrkow Trybunalski
  89. Piotrowice
  90. Plonsk
  91. Potok Zloty
  92. Prague
  93. Praszka
  94. Przedborz
  95. Przemysl
  96. Przysucha
  97. Radomsko
  98. Ranizow
  99. Rawa Mazowiecka
  100. Rejowiec
  101. Rohatyn
  102. Rowne
  103. Rozwadow
  104. Rzeszow
  105. Sanok
  106. Shanghai
  107. Sokolow Malopolski
  108. Sokolow Podlaski
  109. Sosnowiec
  110. Siedlce
  111. Siewierz
  112. Stanislau
  113. Staszow
  114. Sterdyn
  115. Tarnogrod
  116. Tarnopol
  117. Tarnow
  118. Tilburg
  119. Tlumacz, Poland
  120. Tomaszow Mazowiecki
  121. Tonningen
  122. Tschenstochau (Czestochowa)
  123. Vienna
  124. Vilna
  125. Warsaw
  126. Wegrow
  127. Wieliczka
  128. Wisnicz Nowy
  129. Zagreb
  130. Zbaraz
  131. Zdunska Wola
  132. Zelow
  133. Zloczow (Zolochev)
  134. Zychlin

The seal of the Jewish post office at Beuthen [2] reads something like this (please correct the spelling if necessary):

Judische Kultusvereinig * Beuthen O/S

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There was a Jewish administrative unit in Beuthen for sure, with a separate post office of course. However, I agree that caution needs to be exercised here, and I edited the article accordingly. Thanks. --Poeticbent talk 16:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The linked page is called "ghettos and other jewish communities" and desribes Beuthen as
Beuthen was a town in Silesia. After 1945, it became Bytom, Poland. Although there had been a medieval Jewish community in the town, the Jewish population did not begin to grow until the early 1700's. By 1932, the Jewish population was about 3,500 (3.77% of the total population. During Kristallnacht, the synagogue and many Jewish stores were destroyed. By 1939, many Jews had left leaving a population of about 1,300 Jews. By 1942, most of the remaining Jews were deported, primarily to Auschwitz
it's not claimed the Jewish Community of Beuthen lived in a ghetto.
  • The linked letter has a brand "Jüdische Kultusvereinig." - meaning "Jewish Cultural Association" simply identifying the sender, it's not a seperate Jewish Post office. However it would be WP:OR to say, there's a Jewish Post Office, there must have been also a ghetto.
  • There was a Jewish Congregation in Beuthen, off course, and they were the first to be deported and murdered in Auschwitz, but a GHETTO simply didn't exist in Beuthen.
  • We might call the article "Jewish Congregation of Beuthen", which would need a lot of work to be expanded or delete it and mention the fate of the Beuthen Jews at Bytom. HerkusMonte (talk) 18:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I made the necessary changes and moved the article to a new title supported by my Google search results. The Beuthen Jewish Community had its own secretary dating back at least to 19th century,[3] so the article should be OK now. Thanks for helping out. --Poeticbent talk 20:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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