Talk:Business School Lausanne

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I am removing this section because it is not relevant... Please add back if I am wrong. Eatingsnowballs (talk) 16:49, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

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Hey @ErrgoProxy:, even this page has unsourced and non-neutral content. It seems like the edits are of similar behaviour involving personal opinion... over and again. @SunDawn: @PierreLsn:, thoughts? Eatingsnowballs (talk) 19:04, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

The question is really eduQua, seems @Functionist wishes to remove it such as this diff at Geneva Business School but then the ISO 9001 at Business School Lausanne makes no sense either, and globally all quality certifications (IQA, other ISOs,etc..) should be removed. I propose rather to keep them but under 'certifications' - it's important to know, it does give legitimacy would it be only in regards to the business behavior, relation to authorities, or even financial aid as discussed just before. As for adding content of what a school is not, I disagree and believe this should be settled by talk page. PierreLsn (talk) 21:14, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

eduqua is the general adult education quality assurance framework. And it's pretty meaninglesss and misleading to list on business School wiki sites. Several of them make misleading claims towards their students about the value of eduqua. ISO 9001 should equally not be listed. Those are impressive sounding certifications that you may think mean something but they really don't.

To answer your questions: it doesn't mean anything. I mean if you want to go to a language School you might Wish to go one with the certificate but I doubt any consumer knows about it. It doesn't give any recognition from authorities nor financial aid.

https://alice.ch/en/services/eduqua/ << read this. Neither eduqua not ISO 9001 are geared towards business Schools or higher education. Functionist (talk) 21:23, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

It works for me, we know eduQua very well in Switzerland and I agree, it's a rubber stamp certification that nearly any educational institution is expected to have. It's rather when somebody doesn't have it that you should be worried...

Do note though that it does support the famous Article 8 of the Bern Law we were discussing here Talk:List of institutions not listed as Accredited Swiss Higher Education Institutions according to HEdA* and it would be grounds for a state (canton) to give subsidies under the fact they have to "demonstrate a sufficient quality assurance program".

Anyway, agree that it can be overlooked, and certainly not labelled as 'accreditation'. ISO is supposedly more difficult to obtain, but I agree the logic is similar. PierreLsn (talk) 21:32, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

NO that's a misunderstanding; the Article 8 does not mean eduqua suffices. Functionist (talk) 13:39, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

@Functionist - no, you're right, article 8 doesn't state specifically that eduQua suffices. But I do not think it is a misunderstanding either: YES eduQua is indeed duly recognized as "an adequate quality assurance program" for subsidies as shown here:

SwissInfo: Le label «eduQua» condition d’une subvention, eduQua principes directeurs: (...fournir une base de décision pour les autorités (..., subventions, etc.)) , Le Temps: Le label eduQua devient la référence de qualité pour la formation continue, and finally - a bit long - but directly from the Canton Fribourg: Staat Freiburg, SGF 45.12 - Verordnung über die Qualitätsanforderungen für Einrichtungen der Erwachsenenbildung und der berufsorientierten Weiterbildung, Art. 2: Anforderungen - 1) Ab dem 1. Januar 2005 muss jede Bildungseinrichtung über ein Zertifikat eduQua oder ISO 9001 verfügen, wenn sie: b) vom Bund oder vom Kanton in diesen Bereichen Beiträge beziehen will.

As much as some can value eduQua or not (or equally any other certification or accreditation by that matter), it still means that eduQua holds value (at least in some Cantons) when the question of having an adequate quality assurance program comes in play.

Do you agree? or am I missing something that would state that eduQua would not suffice as quality assurance program for swiss subsidies?

Thanks PierreLsn (talk) 19:04, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes you're missing that eduqua suffices for professional continuing adult education, not for higher education. Business Schools handing out masters are clearly the latter, not the former. Functionist (talk) 21:45, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

@Functionist No, I was simply responding in regards to the adequate quality assurance program. I haven't found the clear differentiation you refer to sourced yet, but anyway I already agreed with you that quality programs shouldn't be used as platforms for claiming accreditation - so I guess we're good. Now is there a reason you keep referring to business schools? the number of educational institutions delivering degrees in Switzerland is very significant and I'm not sure why that specific area comes back again and again... PierreLsn (talk) 22:31, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

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