Talk:Burschenschaft/Archive 1

Archive 1

links of disputable relevance

I have removed the following links, two of which (the only links to specific Burschenschaften) are examples of such specifically known for their lack of political moderation, thus not descriptive of the whole movement unless part of a representative cross-section, the other a promise of satire, at present sadly devoid of content. -- Kiwaiti 22:52, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

removed: A well-known Burschenschaft is the Hamburger Burschenschaft Germania in northern Germany (Free and Hanseatic City of Hamburg): http://www.germania-hamburg.de/

A well-known satire on Burschenschaft is the Burschenschaft Gruen-und-Blau in southern Germany: http://www.burschenschaft-gruen-und-blau.de

A well-known Burschenschaft in Austrian and politic http://olympia.burschenschaft.at

Focus and View

This article does seriously suffer from a filtered view and incomplete focus, probably caused by many of its authors coming from a fraternity Background. I am not accusing anyone of POV writing here - though not a Burschenschafter, I come from such a background myself - but in (German) fraternity circles the fraternal aspect of the Urburschenschaft is often unduly emphasized over its more relevant socio-economic and political angle.

The Burschenschaft movement started out as a political student movement working for both democratic reforms in mostly feudal Germany and national unity, and it is this phase that has massiveley influenced German history and left traces that we can still see today.

Its later history - when the movement basically devolved into yet another fraternity association - is still worthwhile and relevant (since those fraternities shaped generations of democratic politicians), but tends to be overemphasized by "official" histography as done in fraternity circles. Wefa 17:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you think a straight translation of the de-wiki article would be suitable? Plenty of historical depth and some good images. Thomjakobsen 18:09, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

The German wiki article does give more background on what Burschenschaften are and how they are perceived. The right-wing angle is glossed over in the current English version. Feketekave (talk) 18:50, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Rituals and Customs

I think a section about rituals (Mensur of the "fighting Burschenschaften" should be mentioned at least) would be important. I myself don't know enough about them, sorry... -- megA (talk) 10:41, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Controversy

I have removed the mention of Burschenschaft Olympia. In my opinion, mentioning only a single Organisation isn't improving an article about hundreds of them.

Regards! -- Maggutz (talk) 10:03, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Needed: Critical views

This page urgently needs a section describing the controversies about Burschenschaften in recent times, e.g. concerning sexism, extremism and such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.218.164.126 (talk) 12:08, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

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Members

I delete the Pope, because he was NOT member of a Burschenschaft, but of a catholic fraternity. Maybe also other "notable members" were not Burschenschafters, but members of other types of fraternities. --93.204.70.125 (talk) 16:45, 6 November 2017 (UTC)