Talk:Buddha's hand

Copy Edit

I added the tag copy edit, because many information here has nothing to with the fingered variety, but with other varieties of citron. For example, the fingered variety was for sure not the first citrus in Europe and it was never employed in manufacture of Succade, it is simply impossible. HagiMalachi (talk) 16:13, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Species or Variety?

What is the genus/species of this, and can someone create a taxobox? Badagnani 01:04, 18 November 2005 (UTC) As you see, someone created here a taxobox to fulfill the request of Badagnani, but this is not right, since the Fingered Citron is only a variety of Citron. I replaced it with cultaivar box, which is the appropriate one.HagiMalachi (talk) 16:14, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Subjective statement: Religious statement.

In the propagation section there is the statement: "One must be swift and silent and bury the cuttings (replete with foliage) deep in the soil."

Swift and silent as a gardening tip? Or is this a Buddhists tradition?

Just asking. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drleftover (talk • contribs) 15:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC).

Clean up?

Yeah, I noticed that remark. I think that it is spam. Justin Herbert 03:51, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Irrelevances removed

I removed the comments on use of this fruit in an American television program. It struck me that the sentences were poorly written and added no value to the article. I don't think anyone particular wants all fruits on Wikipedia to be linked to programs in which they featured - or do they?Jimjamjak 16:52, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Photos?

Also - is there a reason why the reqphoto template has not been deleted. The photographs currently on the page seem informative and of appropriate quality for the page.Jimjamjak 16:52, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Website

Is there a website where i can find out the climate of where they, and other citrus, fruits etc, grow? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.131.3.222 (talk) 03:28, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

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No seeds?

If it has no seeds, how does it propagate? Badagnani (talk) 07:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

If it's a human made fruit, probably by cloning. /85.229.218.38 (talk) 19:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Reliability of Sources

When I ask for a reliable citation of Buddha's Hand citron being called "Cthullhu fruit," I mean, like a book, or an official website, or even a news article. Blogs, google hits, and message boards are not reliable or even good quality sources [1]--Mr Fink (talk) 05:21, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Color of fruit

This article mentions the colors of the fruit's pith, and the plant's flowers and leaves. In addition to those things, I would like the article to include the colors (or range of colors) of the fruit's peel and flesh. Does anyone know this information about Buddha's hand fruit? Thanks. Fallendarling (talk) 20:39, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

What Does the word "Form" Mean in this Context?

After reading this article, I'm a bit confused about what the word "form" means in this context. I imagine that a form is a state that the Buddha's fruit naturally transitions to. Like maybe when it's on the tree, it's in its "closed hand form", but when it's been picked off, it gradually shifts to its "open hand form". If this is the case, I think that there should be a description of it. However, the part about them traditionally being offered to Buddha in the "closed hand form" leads me to believe that this is just an arrangement that people put it in. If that's the case, I'd like to suggest changing it to "closed/open hand arrangement" instead, since arrangement more clearly expresses that it was done by a person (like a flower arrangement). Or if the word "form" is what's traditionally used, perhaps "arranged in the closed hand form". -Thunderforge (talk) 21:50, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Would "shape" be better than "arrangement"?--Mr Fink (talk) 22:11, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Maybe we could use the word state or appearance instead? --Shandris^{the azylean} 20:17, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

I just bought an experimental fruit from the supermarket. It's the first time I've ever seen it and am fascinated. However, mine doesn't have a particularly prominent aroma. There were fruit at the store that still had quite a bit of green rind in which the "fingers" were closed, resembling a fist, and they had fruit that were very yellow with the "fingers" fully extended. So, it appears to me that "closed" and "open" don't refer to differ varieties of the fruit, but to the degree of ripeness within the same variety. Closed fingers with green = immature, unripe fruit; open fingers with bright yellow rind = mature, ripe fruit. Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 23:06, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

A bit late in revisiting this, but as a result of this discussion and Wordreader's experiment (thanks!) I've clarified the following:

• "open hand" form -> "open hand" appearance when ripe
• "closed hand" form -> "closed hand" appearance when unripe

I think that the benefit of this is that it uses the more precise word "appearance" and clarifies the reason for the differing appearance. -Thunderforge (talk) 06:53, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good.--Mr Fink (talk) 21:07, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Botany or Religion?

I would suggest changing the articles name to "Fingered citron" which is more classical. If the name should be like it is, it should say more about the offering, not about the variety or varieties etc. Looking to hear from you. BTW what is the correct way to add on talk page, at top or bottom? Please forgive this time. Riversid (talk) 20:04, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

I would ask more editors to help resolve the already mentioned problem about classification. Is it one variety or many? Are the more opened types a different variety than the semi-closed etc.? Are they all fit for the offering? Riversid (talk) 20:08, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

I've only rarely heard it called "fingered citron," and, as a botanical variety, it is officially "one" variety, with several different forms.--Mr Fink (talk) 20:23, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

All of them with the pulp and without it? with the seeds and without them? The half fingered and the total fingered? I'm not professional, but it doesn't make quite sense to me. Could you verify that? If yes, more editing is needed. Riversid (talk) 20:33, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

See [2], they are probably more professional than me at least.

Taxonomy and nomenclature (DK): Although the Buddha’s Hand tree bears fruits that are different from other citrons in shape, it is otherwise a typical member of the species. It is usually considered as one variety in the United States, but in China there are actually at least a dozen named Buddha’s Hand varieties or subvarieties, differing in fruit shape, color and size, and the tree’s growing habit, etc. These varieties are classed in several types grown for specific purposes, such as fruit production or bonsai tree sales (Guo, 1993; Chen, 2002; Chen, 2003; Zhang, 2007).

In Yunnan a variety called “Muli” or “Xiangyanggo” has fruit characteristics intermediate between the common and the Buddha’s Hand citron (Wang, 1983; Gmitter, 1990). Along the same lines, Hodgson (see below) writes that in one clone “only part of the fruits are fingered and the rest are corrugated, lacking in flesh, and contain seeds hanging free in the locules.” There also exists a variegated form. Clearly the CVC accession (CRC 3768) is a standard Buddha’s Hand (no pulp, no seeds, no variegation), but its particular variety or subvariety has not yet been determined.

“Buddha’s Hand citron” and “Fingered citron” are alternative names for the same variety or group of varieties. In China, where numerous scientific studies of the Buddha’s Hand citron have been published, its Chinese name is often mistranslated into English as “bergamot,” which properly refers to C. bergamia (this true bergamot, another aromatic citrus, is a natural hybrid of sour orange and limetta [C. aurantium x C. limetta]).

Still there is enough of confusion even on that page. Riversid (talk) 20:42, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the page still needs a great deal of editing to further sort everything out, all I'm saying is that Buddha's Hand/fingered citron is a botanical variety, Citrus medica var. sarcodactylis, and that there is nothing to stop a botanical variety from having enormous variation and or large numbers of subvarieties and cultivars.--Mr Fink (talk) 20:48, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Got you. Thanks. Riversid (talk) 00:26, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

More pictures

A gallery has to have a point, and not just adding a lot of pictures, however nice they are. This gallery has at least five pictures that are showing pretty much the same thing. I removed them, but they come back. I packed the gallery - now even more pictures are added. The point was not that giving even more opportunity adding even more pictures. I think that at least four pictures could easily been removed because they just illustrate exactly the same aspect and the same thing, over and over again. Some kind of selection should be made. Hafspajen (talk) 22:00, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Ah, no comment? Hafspajen (talk) 22:00, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Riversid here. Hafspajen (talk) 16:30, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for this. I think you shall select the nicest pictures of open, closed and semi, green and yellow, professional illustration, and fingered versus common. The rest might be removed. Riversid (talk) 16:33, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, I have to admit that I do myself large galleries all the time, so I understand you very well. Hafspajen (talk) 16:39, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

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  Semi-fingered and closed

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  Side view
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  this looks like the other two, only less sharp N
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  Huge fruit breaking bearing twig

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  Semi-closed fingers

• 
  looks same
• 
  looks same

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  Semi dwarf fingered citron (green)

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  Cross section in a Variety etrog citron, and in Fingered citron

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  this shows the same thing as the lead pic - only poorer quality N
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  lead pic

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  this pic in the gallery shows the same thing as the other in the article N
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  in article

I think you should chose now, I am only showing you witch pic illustrate the same aspects. Hafspajen (talk) 16:49, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

And these two should probably stand alone because they are depictions, in a separate gallery under.

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  Fingered citron by Wellcome
• 
  A closed fingered citron by Volckamer

Riversid, do you follow me? Also it would probably good to place them so that it starts with the closed ones and gradually opens up, and finish with the most open one. Hafspajen (talk) 17:05, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Agree. You made a great job. Only hesitant if picture in article replaces one in gallery, maybe place illustration in article, and all the rest (one of each form) in gallery. Riversid (talk) 17:14, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict)::Yes, YOU ARE totally right about that. But I will tel you a secret. I was thinking about nominating one as a Wikipedia: Featured picture. Hafspajen (talk) 17:19, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

At-least we can view all the photos in this talk page (:) Riversid (talk) 17:17, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Hafspajen (talk) 17:19, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

This is the one I was thinking nominating. File:Buddhas hand 1.jpg However if it is in the gallery it will not work, it has to be in the article.Hafspajen (talk) 17:22, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

If you agree to have that as a lead picture in the infobox, you can have the other as the opening fruit in the gallery. Hafspajen (talk) 17:24, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

I also think that this one should be in article body - because it is illustrating the whole plant- Hafspajen (talk) 17:27, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Where did you get lost? Riversid (talk) 06:38, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

OH, I am not lost. I was only trying to learn you about galleries. Well, since nothing happened made it. Hafspajen (talk) 23:21, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

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Description First?

First thing you always want to know: what is this thing. Description section should come first, then Uses. Comments? --Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 17:28, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Reordered as per your recommendation.--Mr Fink (talk) 17:36, 20 January 2021 (UTC)