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1913 Injury

It looks like from the Baseball-Reference gamelogs that Herzog was injured in June of 1913. However, the Russo book and SABR don't specify what the injury was, and New York Times articles from around that date don't seem to mention it. If anyone has specific information on what the injury was, that would be most appreciated! Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 00:47, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: GhostRiver (talk · contribs) 21:31, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

I plan on taking a look at this during what little free time I have! — GhostRiver 21:31, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Infobox and lede

• I am admittedly frequently confused by the rules of MOS:NICKNAME, but I think the way you have it set up is fine as is
• "Herzog grew up on a farm in Ridgely, Maryland." → "Herzog grew up on a farm in nearby Ridgely" to reduce repetition of "Maryland"
• "He is one of the most versatile infielders in baseball history" Close paraphrasing of the direct quote below, needs some shopping around that reflects the verisimilitude of his success (e.g. beyond "he was well-known for his versatility"
• "before getting selected by the Giants" → "before the Giants selected him"

Early life

• "While he was growing up" → "During his childhood" (slight linguistic shift to imply a discrete moment rather than an ongoing phenomenon)

Professional career

Minor leagues

• A popular ballclub, they nonetheless wound up moving to Reading, Pennsylvania, during the year. The connection between popularity vs. moving to Reading is a little unclear here
• "Herzog spent the whole season with them and started to build a reputation for versatility by strong play at shortstop and third base." → "Herzog spent the whole season with the club, his strong play at shortstop and third base starting to build a reputation for versatility."

New York Giants (first stint)

• Link the first instance of "run"
• Any negatives can be taken out (e.g. "zero home runs")
  • This should remain in to show he didn't hit any; otherwise, people might just think the number's not listed. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 19:03, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
• "two doubles being the only ones that went for extra bases." → "only two of which, both doubles, went for extra bases."

Boston Doves/Rustlers (first stint)

• I'm assuming you checked for why he didn't play from 7/6 to 8/2 and came up with nothing?
  • At the time, I couldn't find anything. Since then, though, I've gotten access to Newspapers.com through WP:LIBRARY. Came up with all the juicy details, added to the article. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 20:16, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
• If the May 9 home run was in 1910, I would lead with that and then go into the sentence about playing at third for most of the season, as it flows better chronologically
• "The Boston club began to be referred to as the Rustlers in 1911." → "Herzog returned to the Boston club, now known as the Rustlers, for the 1911 season."

New York Giants (second stint)

• Move the WL on pennant from the second sentence to the first
• Specify that Lardner was (presumably) writing at the time of Herzog's play and not as a retrospective
• "because of darkness." → "when it became too dark to play"
• Pipe "platoon" to Platoon system
• Comma after "He insisted that"

Cincinnati Reds

• Comma after "Jimmy Sheckard"
• A little more context for the "knockers"
  • Even after reading the sources, I'm not sure what that means. Probably has to do with getting along with the players, which is covered by the next sentence. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 20:31, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
• "Herzog butted heads with the players, as well as the front office." → "Herzog butted heads with both the players and the front office."
• "He moved back" → "On the field, he moved back"
• "thereafter to raise his average" → "thereafter, raising his average"
• "Game 1 of the July 6 one went 14 innings." Might be moving into trivia territory, at least where it's currently sandwiched

New York Giants (third stint)

• Pipe "home games" to Home (sports)
• "ground Herzog's face in the dirt" falls under close paraphrasing; not sure the best way to reword it
• I assume "spiking" here refers to hitting Herzog with the spikes on his cleats; that could be explained slightly better
• "thirty minutes" → "30 minutes" per MOS:NUMBERS
• Link "error" to Error (baseball)

Boston Braves (second stint)

• "Herzog played mostly second base" → "Herzog's primary position was at second base", as "mostly" seems to eliminate "significant time" elsewhere

Chicago Cubs

• Link "deliberately helping the team lose a game" to match fixing
• "but he played just one game in September, against the Giants on September 9." Phrasing is a little confusing/repetitive; if this was the only game he played after the scandal, say that to break it up

Final season

• Good

Legacy and career statistics

• Was it other utility players of his era or just generally?

Later life

• "Following his professional baseball career, Herzog coached" → "Herzog took on a variety of careers following his professional baseball career. First, he coached"
• WL tuberculosis
• "Herzog fought the disease for eight months but died of it" → "Herzog spent eight months battling the disease before dying"
• Not a huge fan of how the paragraphs are split right now; I think the canaloupe section should be moved to the first paragraph with other activities he did in life, then the second para should start with him being found in the lobby suffering from TB, and also include the post-mortem house thing

References

• Change the work in [38] from MyEasternShoreMD to The Record Observer, as MyEasternShoreMD is a hosting site for Bay Times and Record-Observer articles

General comments

• All three photos are in the public domain and are relevant to the article
• The third photo is very large, and additionally uses a fixed pixel size, which should be 86'd per MOS:IMGSIZE
  • I think this is one of those "very good reasons" MOS:IMGSIZE contemplate in which to keep the image large. Though the photograph itself is large, the heads of its featured subjects occupy a small percentage of it. It needs to be this big to help readers be able to make out their faces. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 18:57, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
• No stability concerns present within the revision history
• Earwig score is a little high at 42.5%; mostly from direct quotes, but there are some areas of close paraphrasing noted above

Sanfranciscogiants17 Whoof. I have been all over the place this week, but finally got some comments in. Putting on hold now. — GhostRiver 17:49, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Man, Newspapers.com really does come in clutch, huh? Looks good to me now! — GhostRiver 18:32, 23 September 2021 (UTC)