Talk:Brutal death metal
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More on Cannibal Corpse in this article?
[edit]Due to how prolifically known cannibal corpse is for brutal death metal and their influence, i believe it is a wise consideration to add more talking points about cannibal; corpse in this article. Josh199987 (talk) 20:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
No they shouldnt because CC isnt brutal death ha ha. They are "influential" but you're speaking of them like they are Suffocation. CC doesnt have slam riffs, gutturals or constant blast beats. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.196.201.37 (talk) 14:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree, if Tomb of the Mutilated or Butchered at Birth are officially labelled brutal death metal then they deserve a lot more mention in this article rather than being precursors to brutal death metal.
- The gutturals, blast beats and technical riffs are very proficient on those albums by the way assuming that you haven’t listened to those before. 119.18.0.126 (talk) 07:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Cannibal Corpse doesn't have gutturals hahaha. Also being 'technical' got nothing to do with it, CC isn't BDM. Listen to Disgorge, Guttural Secrete, Viral Load, Despondency, Cenotaph (Turkey).... those bands are brutal death..
Make separate page for slam?
[edit]should slam be moved to a separate page? It sounds completely different from regular brutal death metal, it's literally just doing palm-muted power cords on the first 5 frets on the lowest string, in a random order, and it always sounds like "chug-chug-chug" for the whole time 69.255.157.202 (talk) 01:41, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- My original idea when I wrote this article was to actually make a slam page rather than a whole bdm page. I just couldn't find enough citations to prove WP:NOTABILITY for a whole slam article so settled on a sub-page. I think saying they're totally different is a stretch though, and being musically distinct doesn't necessarily prove notability. I'd say right now it's WP:TOOSOON. Issan Sumisu (talk) 10:37, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- I agree. They're very close together. I'll note, for at least a decade, progressive death metal redirects to technical death metal, because the two get used interchangeably.--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 14:06, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- does slam even sound anything like any of the brutal death metal music like dying fetus or anything like that? not at all, imo it deserves a separate page.
- slam metal exists just for pure br00tality, and nothing more. there's no leads, no visible lyrical structure (sometimes no lyrics at all, just somebody imitating pig noises), and it's all just slam riffs and nothing else.
- source:https://www.metalsucks.net/2011/04/04/deathcore-vs-slam-metal-how-2-tell-them-apart/ Idibiks (talk) 23:56, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
- Slam and bdm are objectively very similar, Internal Bleeding are generally considered the first slam band and openly state what they did was take the slam parts from Suffocation songs and do more of them. The article you linked even calls slam a subgenre of bdm (it can't be a subgenre if they're not similar). Everything you listed other than it being "all just slam riffs" is also true for general bdm, Skinless pretty much cover all those aspects in most of their songs, other than no lyrics (which is very rare for slam anyway) which None So Vile by Cryptopsy does cover. Issan Sumisu (talk) 11:21, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
- To get the full scope of this situation, I actually have moved all the slam content in this article to my sandbox, to see how it would appear as its own article. I think it does look significant enough to pass WP:NOTABILITY. I'd still say it'd need some expansion though. Issan Sumisu (talk) 15:10, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
- imo slam death metal is musically distinct enough to deserve its own page Idibiks (talk) 01:42, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- To get the full scope of this situation, I actually have moved all the slam content in this article to my sandbox, to see how it would appear as its own article. I think it does look significant enough to pass WP:NOTABILITY. I'd still say it'd need some expansion though. Issan Sumisu (talk) 15:10, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
- Slam and bdm are objectively very similar, Internal Bleeding are generally considered the first slam band and openly state what they did was take the slam parts from Suffocation songs and do more of them. The article you linked even calls slam a subgenre of bdm (it can't be a subgenre if they're not similar). Everything you listed other than it being "all just slam riffs" is also true for general bdm, Skinless pretty much cover all those aspects in most of their songs, other than no lyrics (which is very rare for slam anyway) which None So Vile by Cryptopsy does cover. Issan Sumisu (talk) 11:21, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
- I agree. They're very close together. I'll note, for at least a decade, progressive death metal redirects to technical death metal, because the two get used interchangeably.--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 14:06, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Slam literally is brutal death metal with just more emphasis on the slam parts. Do not see a reason at all for it needing its own article. Did "downtempo" get its own article for just being deathcore that focuses solely on breakdowns? No it didn't, in fact Im sure downtempo isn't even mentioned in the deathcore article once...That micro genre did even have a lot of hype and little scene around it a decade ago, it wasn't some irrelevant thing, at least not in the core scene. Lil Sad Lil Happy (talk) 10:53, 19 February 2025 (UTC)