Talk:Brogue shoe/Archive 1

Archive 1

Lacing

The shoes shown have closed lacing, yet the discussion says that brogues must have open lacing. Closed lacing appears more common on brogues than open lacing, but I don't think either kind is essential to the definition of the shoe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.213.111 (talk) 22:33, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Oxford shoes have closed lacings by definition. Brogue shoes have open lacings in the style of a Derby shoe, also by definition. As the above user noted, the discussion states that a true Brogue shoe has open lacing. The article takes pains to highlight the difference between a Brogue shoe and the technique of brogueing, which can be applied to any shoe.

The image caption is incorrect. It should read something like "a pair of brown oxfords fully brogued" or "a pair of brown oxfords with full brogueing." In point of fact, the image should probably be replaced in favor of an image that shows true Brogue shoes. 64.190.68.242 (talk) 17:34, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Reference needed re: Quarter brogues

The following text:

"Some authorities consider quarter-brogues only those shoes with punching around the laces and heel quarters, treating examples with punching only on the toecap as a simple variant of the plain cap-toe."

was removed from the article because it is not backed by a citation of a reliable source. Which authorities and where have they published this information? Please return this information to the article only when reliable sources are found and supporting citations are added to the article. Ch Th Jo (talk) 00:56, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Reference needed re: Closures

The following text:

"Adelaide brogues are a specific variant of brogue oxfords (not derbies) with punching in a "U" shape around the laces that does not intersect any other seams on the vamp (a "U-throat"). They can appear as full-, semi- or quarter-brogues."

was removed from the article because it is not backed by a citation of a reliable source. While I am able to find some information about adelaide brogues, I am not able to find anything that constitutes a definition for the style from any source, let alone one considered reliable for use in Wikipedia. More research is required before this information is added to the article.Ch Th Jo (talk) 01:00, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Removal of Wisegeek link

Take a look at this, which is the resource linked as a reference. It is a made-for-AdSense page, that incorporates text that comes from a source that pays people to generate large quantities of "content", and that neither shows any relevant credentials for its author nor itself cites any references. As far as I can see, this does not count as a WP:RS. -- The Anome (talk) 11:02, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for opening a discussion on this.

"It is a made-for-AdSense page" How do you know this or what is the proof of this? I'm not saying you are wrong, but you made an assertion without evidence so I can't evaluate the value of your statement.

"As far as I can see" Judgement comes into play obviously, but your judgement isn't authoritative (no offense, neither is mine or any other one person's). What objective criteria are you applying to come up with this conclusion? Ch Th Jo (talk) 16:08, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Miscellaneous comments (over 10 years old)

Perhaps merge this with http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Brogue_shoe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.95.238 (talk) 14:36, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

'garishly coloured brogue heels' seems to be introducing a rather disapproving tone into the discussion. NPOV anyone? (78.86.173.118 (talk) 17:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC))

I can't believe that Brogues were classed as being of low importance to fashion. They are one of the cornerstones of mens footwear. I think the best way to improve this article would be to add a small gallery, showing differant forms of Broguing, so it is clear for the uninitiated exactly what a pair of Brogues are. --Andorin (talk) 16:02, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

would love a photo MentAl 17:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

how can they be made of "untanned leather?" in order to be called leather, animal skin must be tanned. Are they made of rawhide or something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.234.42.58 (talk) 01:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe the reference is to un-dyed leather, not 'untanned', which as implied would make the shoes either out of skin or rawhide, neither of which would be particularly comfortable. This would be a reference to the original shoe, and not the later 'Oxford' styles, as these are heavily dyed and decorative. I think 'undyed' implies cheap and made quickly... You can see a recreation of an original Brougue here ( http://www.leathersporran.co.uk/Brogues/Scottish-Shoes.htm ) I don't know if this is not Wiki policy - I'm not posting it as an ad, just a reference (copyrighted, so the article can't use the pic) --Dc johnson45 04:16, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

This photo should be replaced. The British tend to very strongly avoid a black full-brogue, which is not at all the traditional model.Kan8eDie (talk) 04:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

How about a little history including dates? I'd like to know when this style of shoe was created. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.32.107.150 (talk) 18:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)