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Many errors

This article is full of errors. For instance, a pilot cutter never went alongside a ship at sea. The pilot was transferred using the punt. (No, that is not the type of boat you find on the river at Cambridge.) Some decent references are needed, not stuff you can simply find on the internet. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 10:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Some work done on the article. Need to discuss the masts. Also performance - note that slow to windward, but comfortable hove to. Description of the accommodation might be good. Need to correct the reason for the demise - mostly the removal of competition by the pilotage authority. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 20:49, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is alarming to see that some 75% or so of this article is written by a user who has been blocked for copyright violation (Trident13). ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 21:01, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source for Cornish pilot gig

I have put a {{cn}} on a claim in the article Cornish pilot gig that pilot gig racing had its origin in pilots competing for jobs, as this sounded to me an unlikely story. I have been pointed at this article, which appears to confirm it. It seems likely to me that source no 1 here (Stuckey 1999) would be a satisfactory source for the claim in that article; but I haven't got that book, so I cannot cite it. Is there somebody here who has access to the book, and could check that article, and add the citation appropriately? (I'll put a note on that article's talk page as well). ColinFine (talk) 12:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Accounts of pilots racing to get a job are a major part of the whole of Stuckey's book. For instance, pg 85 During the 1914-18 war we were racing for a hospital ship just below Barry Roads..., with the story explaining how the other pilot cutter set a topsail in strong winds, even though the author's boat had an unassailable lead. Unwisely, the author's boat did the same, which broke their mast, so the other boat won the job. The same situation occurred around the coast of Britain – pilots raced to get their work until Trinity House started to regulate pilotage and provided pilot cutters on station. This started early in the 20th century (I'd have to do a bit of digging to get some accurate dates for each region.) Then the pilot who got the job was the next in turn. There are better references for the Cornish pilot gig, for instance March, Edgar J. (1970). Inshore Craft of Great Britain in the Days of Sail and Oar. Vol. 2 (2005 ed.). London: Chatham Publishing. ISBN 1-86176-269-0.</ref> pg 221: ...rival companies raced to secure orders for repair work at their shipyards, boarded pilots, took out cargo samplers.... For other mention of this on Wikipedia, see, for instance Yawl#Norfolk and Suffolk Beach Yawls.

I will add March as a reference to the Cornish pilot gig article later, as I probably need to read that bit of the source more thoroughly and I have to get a bit of work done now. ThoughtIdRetired _TIR 15:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, @ThoughtIdRetired. ColinFine (talk) 19:50, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]