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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Lightburst (talk) 01:39, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Created by BanjoZebra (talk). Self-nominated at 20:00, 5 January 2023 (UTC).[reply]

  • Hello and welcome to DYK. The article meets DYK requirements for length and creation time, and is free from close paraphrasing. The hook fact is cited inline, but per WP:DYKCRIT the exact sentence mentioning the Taylor Swift part needs a footnote. No QPQ is required as this is the nominator's first nomination. However, I'm not a fan of the hook. In recent months there have been reservations about hooks about or that mention Swift, and such hooks tend to underperform in terms of DYK readership interest. Theleekycauldron could perhaps elaborate more on this point, but in the meantime, could you perhaps propose a different hook about Cook that doesn't involve Swift? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:57, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Narutolovehinata5 ... that Braxton Cook performed alongside Jon Batiste on the soundtrack for Pixar's Soul, which won the Academy Award for Best Original Score? SL93 (talk) 08:42, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see that my hook suggestion isn't in the source. SL93 (talk) 08:49, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My mistake, I fixed the source on the page. SL93 I think that hook works! BanjoZebra (talk) 16:40, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder if it could be revised further. There's probably an okay core there but I'm not really a fan of the mention of Batiste. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:50, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can we please have a second opinion on ALT1? Narutolovehinata5 hasn't liked either of the hooks that associate Cook with other, more famous (and likely to attract eyeballs) artists; while I can understand avoiding Swift, who has been ubiquitous on DYK, I'm not sure why Batiste is being frowned upon. I don't think the Soul mention, even with the Academy Award, is sufficient by itself, since lots of musicians will be used in a film score, and the article doesn't have any more details to use than are in the hook itself. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:30, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, hrm. I can say, with reasonable certainty, that this hook is not likely to attract eyeballs – name-dropping famous people is something we try frequently, with mixed results at best. So, if the question is "does the name drop of Jon Batiste bump up this hook's viewcount", my assessment would be no. I'm also not always a fan of hooks about people winning awards, because they're often too straightforward and don't really make the reader want to know more. Do those translate to a 3a fail? Hard to say; the community's broader interpretation of what makes a minimally passable hook might accommodate this. I wouldn't write this myself. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:26, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To answer BlueMoonset's comment above, I'm not really fond of the mention of Batiste since I don't think the mention adds to the hook's hookiness. If Batiste's mention either added to the hookiness, or the hook itself was actually good, I wouldn't have had an issue with it. As it stands, I don't really think ALT1 meets the broad interest criterion unfortunately. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:10, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreeing with BlueMoonset that ALT1 is a good hook and checks out. The hook makes me want to read the article and it is cited and in the article. I also noticed the name of the fella! I actually like ALT0 as well, but I understand the Taylor Swift fatigue. The article has the correct inline citations and is free of copyright violations and neutral. No QPQ is required. Article was started Dec 31 and nominated January 5 so it was new enough. At 2957 characters it is also long enough. Welcome to DYK and I thank you for the well written article. Please do nominate more articles! Bruxton (talk) 17:05, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
With due apologies to Bruxton, I don't think there is currently consensus for ALT1 at this time. Leeky and I have objected to the hook, while Bruxton and BM are fine with it. That's two supports and two opposes, which really doesn't translate to consensus. Perhaps a different hook angle can be proposed instead? I wouldn't be opposed to a different angle other than ALT1. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 18:03, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • You cannot hang this nomination forever based on nothing. Leeky does not have a stong objection either. Do those translate to a 3a fail? Hard to say is not an objection. Your own objection is also equally weak I'm not really a fan of the mention of Batiste. I am renewing the green tick. You can take this to DYK talk to get other opinions but I am all for rewarding a new contributor who wrote a good article and has had their nomination hung for a month based on very weak objections. Bruxton (talk) 18:16, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see the concerns here. Here's yet another possibility:
ALT2: ... that saxophonist Braxton Cook has performed in four Tiny Desk Concerts for NPR? Source: https://www.npr.org/2020/05/08/852151138/braxton-cook-tiny-desk-home-concert BanjoZebra (talk) 18:42, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks BanjoZebra I shortened it for punch. It is also a possibility and it is in the article. I like ALT1 but this one is also clickable. Bruxton (talk) 19:43, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
BanjoZebra, Bruxton, the NPR source is dated May 8, 2020, when Cook's solo Tiny Desk concert aired; at that time, he'd performed in three prior TDCs as a supporting artist, and this was his fourth. Do we have any source to indicate that he hasn't appeared in any further ones in the nearly three years since then? If not, then ALT2 needs further modification, perhaps "at least four", because a plain "four" may no longer be accurate. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:15, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
BlueMoonset The search function/archives only show four. Bruxton (talk) 20:37, 19 February 2023 (UTC)][reply]
Proposing further ALT hooks. There is so much potential here. Let's get this over the line.
@BanjoZebra and Narutolovehinata5: Feedback? Cielquiparle (talk) 04:47, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think I like ALT4 but my concern with it is that it's not clear what "Loops" means in this context. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:52, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Of these I like ALT2a the most, and it looks like it's fully supported by the source too. BanjoZebra (talk) 06:00, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bruxton: What do you think of these ALT hooks? Cielquiparle (talk) 16:05, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Cielquiparle: I like the simplicity of ALT2 or ALT2a. Makes people curious about the subject in my opinion. The other hooks are loaded with details that complicate. Bruxton (talk) 16:36, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Bruxton. Could you pls make your approval of ALT2 and ALT2a official with another green tick? Cielquiparle (talk) 17:03, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
x3 @Cielquiparle: Bruxton (talk) 18:35, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]


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