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It is clear from the Boston University web site AND from the web site of the BU School of Management that the formal name of this part of BU is "School of Management" not "Graduate School of Management" so I have flipped the re-direct to place the article under "School of Management" and redirect from "Graduate School of Management. BU does not have an entity called "Graduate School of Management. It has a School of Management that offeres both undergraduate and graduate degrees.

Pzavon 01:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at http://www.bu.edu/apply/graduate.html you will see that there is in fact a "Graduate School of Management (GSM)" which is not the same as the "School of Management (SMG)." As a current student in the "GRADUATE School of Management" I can also attest to the fact that the two schools are indeed separate. If you do not believe this, feel free to contact (GSM's) Graduate Programs Office. If you have no comment on this within the next 24 hours, I will revert to the page before your changes.

And if you will look at http://management.bu.edu/, a link provided in the original article, if I remember correctly, and look at "Fact and Figures" under "About the School" you will see that the School of Management enrolls both graduates and undergraduates. The population of graduate students as enumerated in the original form of the article is exactly listed at this location, with one additional line - for the undergraduate population. The logo says "School of Management" not "Graduate School of Management." And the "Dean's Welcome" addresses both graduate and undergraduate students.
I conclude from this that the graduate programs may well be organized separately from the undergraduate, but they are not in a division that is separate from or on an equal organizational footing to the School of Management, but are a part of the School of Management.
I also note that the article as I originally encountered it described the "Graduate School of Management" as one of 15 Graduate schools at BU. The count of ALL schools and colleges at BU, as listed in the main BU article (not one of my contributions there), is 15 - and I know some of those are not "Graduate Schools".
I am traveling and will probably be unable to log in tomorrow night, so please don't slap me with another "respond in 24 hours or you loose" requirement.
Pzavon 04:08, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I honestly can't beleive I'm having a discussion on whether the existence of the school that I and over 800 others currently attend, is in question. When school was still in session, we heard and saw GSM virtually everyday whether it was from the Dean's office or the Graduate Programs Office. I can even forward you a copy of the "GSM Weekly Update" created by the Graduate Programs Office. This is not to mention, that we applied to the Graduate School of Management! I understand that both the undergraduate school and the graduate school both use the same logo, although this is just more for an informal convenience than anything else. In addition, the undergraduate school primarily uses http://smg.bu.edu/leadership/index.html instead of http://management.bu.edu/index.html which is primarily used by GSM.

I also don't understand why you discredit http://www.bu.edu/apply/graduate.html where it clearly states "GRADUATE SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT." Also take notice of the fact that MBA students apply directly to GSM whereas undergraduate students apply to the University's general Office of Admissions. I strongly urge you to contact the Graduate Programs Office at GSM, the phone number is (617) 353-2670.

I think a solution for our disagreement will have to be to have two seperate wikipedia sites, one for SMG and one for GSM (which is what I would have preferred in the first place). The only reason why I directed the SMG site to the GSM site was because I thought it was better than nothing (and there was a little SMG info on the GSM site). If the founding date of GSM is what is bothering you, I will go to the Dean's office when I return to Boston late next week and set the record straight. I am also wondering how you are connected to the university that you have taken such a position against GSM? Please respond at your earliest convenience.

BU's Info Center addresses this issue specifically: [1]. The so-called "Graduate School of Management" is not listed as one of BU's schools or colleges. It is a component of the BU School of Management. The mere fact that the graduate program is known as known colloqually as the "Graduate School of Management" and that applicants apply to the program directly is not sufficient evidence that it is a separate entity from SMG.
The fact that BU does not declare the existance of a Graduate School of Management as one of its schools and colleges should put this issue to sleep for good. Pzavon is completely correct.
Pjorg 05:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I'm sorry, I just checked my transcript and it specifically says "Admitted to the GRADUATE SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT." In addition, under program of study it says "GSM Master of Business Administration". I also checked StudentLink where we register for classes. When selecting a course, one must first select the college and sure enough there is GSM in addition to SMG in the drop down menu. If you are a student, look it up on StudentLink yourself if you do not believe me.

In addition, if StudentLink and transcripts are not evidence enough, please check out a BusinessWeek Q&A with Catherine Ahlgren, the Director of the Career Center. There you will see a member of the administration specifically stating "GRADUATE SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT".[2]

If any of this is still not enough, I am planning on going into school this week, I will stop by the Dean's office and get the official word.

It's been several months now and I (and apparently Pzavon, as well) have stepped away from this debate to allow things to cool for a while. Unfortunately, I still disagree that there is a "Graduate School of Management" at BU, and I believe the facts support this assertion.
Please understand, no one is contending that the graduate programs at SMG are not referred to as belonging to the "Graduate School of Management." I myself have heard people refer to it in this way, and in fact many University systems do the same. For example, the Student Link[3], when looking up classes, requires you to select "GSM" to view classes in the SMG graduate program, just as you say. However, if you look, you will also see EOP (English for International Students), OTP (Officer Training Program, ROTC), PDP (Physical Education Classes), among many others. There can be no valid argument that any of these are actually colleges or schools of their own; they appear in the registration system separately as an organizational demarcation (English for International Students) or because there is no other logical place to put them (ROTC).
Again, to reiterate, no one is contending that the term "Graduate School of Management" is not used or that it does not appear on official documents. However, this usage is merely to distinguish the graduate program from the undergraduate program, and also likely because people think that it adds prestige to have a separate graduate school as opposed to having the undergrad and graduate programs in one school (in my opinion).
Nonetheless, I must once again make my objection known to the "Graduate School of Management" being referred to as a separate school.
I propose the following compromise: The article Boston University Graduate School of Management be reverted to its status as a redirect to Boston University School of Management, and a significant mention of the fact that the graduate programs are often referred to as the "Graduate School of Management" be placed in the introductory paragraph of the SMG article.
-Pjorg 17:02, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I find this proposal to be a reasonable one. However, we should be careful to capture the information in the GSM article that is not at present duplicated in the SMG article. Pzavon 00:41, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I carried this out, at long last. -Pjorg 23:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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Is it really appropriate to use a university infobox template in an article describing a school that is a component of a university? It would seem to suggest that SMG is on an equal footing with BU in general, which it most certainly is not.

Is there not an infobox template for schools within universities? If not, this is something that someone should remedy.

-Pjorg 00:36, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I understand your concern, I'm not trying to put the management school on the same footing as the university. A number of business schools such as Wharton, Kellogg, and Yale use the same infobox so I did as well. I used a different info box for the GSM site, maybe we should change the SMG site to use a similar box.

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