Talk:Born on the Fourth of July (film)

La Villa Dulce

I've undone the edit that changed "Village of the Sun" to "La Villa Dulce". While that may be the accurate Spanish name of the town, it's not mentioned as such anywhere else in the article, making it a bit confusing. And I don't think it belongs in any case. Please enlighten me if I'm out of line. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Belasted (talk • contribs) 04:15, 28 November 2008 (UTC) I'm currently watching the movie, and in the movie, it is Villa Dulce. So it's more than just the "accurate Spanish name", it's the actual name as specified in the movie. It should be translated as "Sweet Village" to boot. But I don't know how to edit Wikipedia articles, and not sure if accuracy is the criterion for articles; apparently not if it makes articles "confusing" (to whom?). In any case, maybe someone with more acumen can decide and change it if necessary. - Jonathan Hansen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.212.134.233 (talk) 00:56, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

"Wheelchair-bound"

"Wheelchair-bound" is considered derogatory usage and should not be reintroduced into the article. Please see List of disability-related terms with negative connotations before reverting this change again. --Rahaeli (talk) 14:27, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

We should reflect what the sources say, see WP:RS and remember, in Wikipedia "some articles may include text, images, or links which some people may find objectionable, when these materials are relevant to the content. Discussion of potentially objectionable content should not focus on its offensiveness but on whether it is appropriate to include in a given article.some articles may include text, images, or links which some people may find objectionable, when these materials are relevant to the content. Discussion of potentially objectionable content should not focus on its offensiveness but on whether it is appropriate to include in a given article." WP:NOTCENSORED. Nsaa (talk) 14:44, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but in an instance where it costs nothing to use a preferred, more civil descriptor, there's no reason not to. This is a case of MOS:IDENTITY in action. --Rahaeli (talk) 15:11, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

"Themes"

Personally I feel this entire section of the article can be deleted. It's just one person's (frankly rather banal) analysis of the movie, mostly opinion and and entirely unreferenced. If no-one responds to this over the next week I'll delete the section myself. Thanks. Nora nettlerash (talk) 22:51, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Now deleted Nora nettlerash (talk) 23:20, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

something wrong here

"The film begins with Ron Kovic's childhood during the summer of 1956 in Massapequa, Long Island, New York, just one year after the Korean War broke out." korean war was from 50-53 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.59.91.247 (talk) 20:47, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: JohnWickTwo (talk · contribs) 03:41, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Setting up assessment may take a day or two. Could you mention how you came about choosing the Oscar film to improve with other choices out there, and do you have any sense of why it has been in the hold queue for this amount of time. JohnWickTwo (talk) 03:41, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

I had rewatched the movie recently. I felt the need the improve it after conducting some research about it online. I couldn't tell you why it's been in the hold queue for a long period of time. But I do thank you for taking the time to review the article, and await your review comments. FrankRizzo (talk) 00:01, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Outline for full assessment:

0 Lead section

Footnote in lede section should be refactored to be placed into the main body of the article alone. It is not needed in the lede section. "Producer Martin Bregman" sentence should be combined and shortened with its following sentence. The Pacino deep history is already covered in the main body of the article and a new version might read something like "Producer MB acquired the film rights and hired Stone, also a Vietnam veteran, to co-write the screenplay with Kovic." "Stone's three films about Vietnam" might be better wording in the 1st paragraph of the lede section since there is no continuity of characters across these 3 films. JohnWickTwo (talk) 13:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

1 Plot

Adequate to article. JohnWickTwo (talk) 13:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

2 Cast

Some of your "ad lib" comments listed after the Cast list could actually be moved into the Cast list itself, for example, the mention of Cruise adopting mannerisms of Kovic. Otherwise, the comments listed after the Cast list start to look a little "gossipy". Possibly some of it could be moved to the Casting section below. JohnWickTwo (talk) 13:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

3 Production

3.1 Development

Adequate to article. JohnWickTwo (talk) 13:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

3.2 Casting

Adequate to article. JohnWickTwo (talk) 13:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

3.3 Filming

Adequate to article. JohnWickTwo (talk) 13:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

3.4 Music

There is no main page for the soundtrack. Is it worth considering adding a table for the track list here. JohnWickTwo (talk) 13:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

4 Release

Release timing was clearly geared to Oscar timing which should be mentioned. JohnWickTwo (talk) 13:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

4.1 Box office

A doubled up "$$" appears here. Should there be some mention somewhere in this article as to why the R-rating was made for the film. JohnWickTwo (talk) 13:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

4.2 Home media

Current wording sounds as if there was not a stand alone release of the DVD. What was the date of the first stand alone DVD release, which was not in a box set. JohnWickTwo (talk) 13:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

5 Reception

This film was not the only protest film opposing the Vietnam war. Should there be mention somewhere in this article naming some of the other protest films (Forrest Gump, etc). Section seems a little light for an Oscar winner. JohnWickTwo (talk) 13:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

5.1 Critical response

Section seems a little light for an Oscar winner. JohnWickTwo (talk) 13:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

5.2 Accolades

Possibly mention who the film beat to get its Oscar wins. JohnWickTwo (talk) 13:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

That should get things started. Ping my account when ready or if any clarifications are needed. JohnWickTwo (talk) 13:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Added question. Should there be a Legacy section added given the importance of this film to Vietnam war films in general something like the following: "One of the first major films based on the Vietnam War was John Wayne's pro-war film, The Green Berets (1968). Further cinematic representations were released during the 1970s and 1980s, including Michael Cimino's The Deer Hunter (1978), Francis Ford Coppola's Apocalypse Now (1979), Oliver Stone's Platoon (1986) – based on his service in the U.S. military during the Vietnam War, Stanley Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket (1987), Hamburger Hill (1987), and Casualties of War (1989). Later films would include We Were Soldiers (2002) and Rescue Dawn (2007)". JohnWickTwo (talk) 20:13, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Interesting idea of creating a Legacy column. Whenever I do a Legacy column, I like to write about how the movie itself has made a cultural impact. I feel your comments on other Vietnam-related films belong in other articles, such as War film or Vietnam War in film.FrankRizzo (talk) 13:55, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

That has been an impressive week-end of edits for you and the article. Regarding the Legacy section, it would be nice to see those two links you just listed as See also links in a short Legacy section. Actually its your call whether there is enough material for doing this as a short Legacy section or in a See also section with these 2 links. Since the film left enough of an impression on Stone to want to make yet another Vietnam film, then that at least could be mentioned since you bring it up in your current version of the lead section. Other possible legacy topics are War wounded and rehabilitation, Post-traumatic stress disorder in military, Pacifism, and War Protest. Let me know what you think. JohnWickTwo (talk) 15:33, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

@FrankRizzo2006: No Legacy section? No See also section? JohnWickTwo (talk) 12:43, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

I've added a "See Also" section. Added several links to other articles. FrankRizzo (talk) 02:32, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Closing assessment

This is a Oscar winning film which has had a long development cycle as a Wikipedia article. The current article has benefited from several weeks of development from the nominating editor, and the nominating editor has been effective and prompt dealing with the issues raised in this assessment. The article is well written with a good narrative throughout. The images are well chosen and the captions are informative. The reference section is of high quality and fully formatted with numerous links. The tone of the article is neutral and does not appear to contain original research. My suggestion would be to move the new See also section to come before the reference section, and directly after the awards section. This Wikipedia article is now at peer review quality and is passed. JohnWickTwo (talk) 04:00, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Vivica Fox

Actress “Vivica Fox” who played a “prostitute” in the film, is improperly linked to “Vivica A Fox” an American actress from such films as Independence Day and Kill Bill. 72.184.153.157 (talk) 02:52, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Correction: it is in fact Vivica A Fox

Sorry for the confusion 72.184.153.157 (talk) 03:00, 27 April 2023 (UTC)