Talk:Blue raspberry flavor

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Dubious

Multiple sources directly contradict what is written in this article see:

https://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/pop-culture/article/what-is-blue-raspberry-flavor

http://mentalfloss.com/article/29273/what-heck-blue-raspberry

https://www.tastecooking.com/raspberries-turned-blue/

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-blue-raspberry-flavor-2017-1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.70.25.101 (talk • contribs) 09:34, February 23, 2019 (UTC)

That's some good stuff. When I get some time I'll try to incorporate the material into the article. (Though the dubious tag is misused so I am going to remove that.) oknazevad (talk) 15:36, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The flavor and color are not natural and do not derive from raspberries

This general edit was needed to put into accurate perspective that the blue raspberry flavor and color are artificial food ingredients used in the United States since 1958 to give uniqueness to confections, such as a snow cone. The flavor and color have nothing to do with Rubus leucodermis, a North American raspberry with dark purple (not sky blue) fruit and juice. On the R. leucodermis talk page, I provided this discussion below. Zefr (talk) 18:28, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This edit removing reference to a blue raspberry applies because the supposed use of juice from R. leucodermis fruit for flavoring and coloring foods, such as in the image, is an urban myth, explained partly here. Blue raspberry flavor - and the blue color used to manufacture the liqueur, Blue Curaçao - derive from a common, synthetic, food-grade organic compound called Blue 1.

R. leucodermis is not commercially cultivated to any extent sufficient for making juice concentrates or commercial flavors, its juice is a dark purple (not sky blue, as in the image), and its flavor is too tart (without sweeteners) to be used in ice cones, ice cream, or other confections. There is no WP:RS source to support that this fruit is used for commercial raspberry flavors or blue raspberry colors.

This isn't correct. Blue raspberry does not occur in nature, however blue raspberry flavor and color exists in natural form. Please note the distinction between a natural and artificial food ingredient. A synthetic food ingredient is produced using ingredients that are not food themselves (such as petroleum for artificial colors) while a natural one comes from an existing food source (berries/spirulina for natural colors). Here's a Bon Appetit article for citation. A wikipedia article does exist breaking down the difference but I can't find it right now.

https://www.bonappetit.com/story/truth-about-natural-artificial-flavors

Also, the Bon Appetit article cited in the entry for blue raspberry ("esters of banana, cherry and pineapple") is incorrect and misleading about the flavor compounds. You do not see banana (iso amyl acetate) or pineapple (caproates) and not predominantly cherry (benzaldehyde, it can be added but not in a high amount like with cherry/almond) in blue raspberry. Blue raspberry is heavy on raspberry ketone and sweet flavor chemicals like vanillin and maltol, on top of a typical berry profile - essentially a very candy/sweet raspberry. I do not have any citation for this, as I am the citation, working for a company that sells flavors in their R&D group and familiar with the blue raspberry flavors we sell. Portnoyd (talk) 04:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While it's good to have your expertise for this Wikipedia article, a change to the article needs to be accompanied by a WP:RS source, and not an opinion - even a professional one. It's hard to accept your claim that "blue raspberry flavor and color exists in natural form". How - to ask the obvious - if there is no blue raspberry plant?

Perhaps something similar in flavor and color exists as extracted from a natural source, but it would not be called 'blue raspberry'. The color is from E133 and the flavor is synthetic from esters and sugar. Zefr (talk) 05:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]