Talk:Blood for Dracula

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14yo

How do we know the youngest daughter is 14? Maybe I missed that part or it was edited out of the version I saw?? It seems like something that would stick with the viewer. --12.213.80.54 (talk) 17:27, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Plot

"Mario dismembers Dracula with an axe and kills him and the eldest of the Di Fiore's with a stake" No, the eldest daughter is a vampiric suicide, albeit on the same stake that vanquishes Dracula. WHPratt (talk) 03:09, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

US release date

According to the book source, it was released on November 27, 1974. Do not change without a source or even discussion. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:56, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As seen here, here, and here, it came out on the sixth. --tronvillain (talk) 21:29, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent. Thank you. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:56, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Warhol

I've removed this title from the lead. The film was released under several English titles. It's made more clear in the Release section. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:56, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

While it's clearly not the title now (having gone back to what Morissey originally intended), it was the title at the US premiere, the title in initial advertisements and reviews, and apparently the title at the world premiere in Germany. It's the title on the German poster you added. If there's anything that qualifies for inclusion in the lead sentence as per MOS:ALTNAME, it's this. As that says (emphasis mine): "When this title is a name, significant alternative names for the topic should be mentioned in the article, usually in the first sentence or paragraph. Something minor like Young Dracula should go under the release section, but this was pretty major. --tronvillain (talk) 17:50, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. Fair points. I'm going to try and expand the lead so it includes some more information about this. While we are discussing it, the German poster is to be used as its the earliest theatrical release poster, which is what the infobox standards state. We can discuss that too if you'd like. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I did notice that was why you switched the poster a while back - I have no problem with that. I was just pointing out that since it's the name on the poster, it's reasonable to include it as an "also known as." It would definitely be worth adding a little more about Warhol's almost complete lack of involvement. As I recall, he's quoted as saying "I went to the parties" and described by others as being there for some publicity photos.--tronvillain (talk) 21:07, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I've changed the lead to suggest how the Andy Warhol's (or just Andy Warhols, as it says on the German poster) title was used in the US and West Germany. Yeah, I've read that quote too, but I was hoping to figure out the context or better details about it. Definitely worth adding when we have the sources. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:09, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There's at least some chance that it's fictional, from here, but then perhaps that piece is lifting it from somewhere in turn. --tronvillain (talk) 22:26, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I knew I'd seen it somewhere before: "When asked what he does, since Morrissey receives credit as writer-director on their films, Warhol says, 'I go to the parties.' But then - getting serious - he adds, 'All of us at The Factory contribute ideas.' "^[1]

Ahh great work! Lets fit that in there. Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:39, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Gardner, Paul (14 July 1974). "Warhol - From Kinky Sex to Creepy Gothic". The New York Times. Vol. 123, no. 42540. p. D-11.

Title

Country of production is irrelevant. The guideline says initial sentence or paragraph, it's the title on the poster in this article, the title at the premier, the title at its U.S. premier, and the first major English language release. Parenthetical alternate names are common practice on Wikipedia, and this is the clearly the major alternate name. --tronvillain (talk) 02:14, 18 May 2018 (UTC) tronvillain (talk) 02:14, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A German title, for a film that's not even German is confusing. And in fact, it was not even released initially as Andy Warhol's Dracula, but Young Dracula, to be like Young Frankenstein. As there are so many alternative titles, cherry picking one would be confusing and misleading as there are other titles that carry important information. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:10, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"A German title"... in the English language, identical to the title for the North American release. And no, it wasn't initially released as Young Dracula: from 3 November 1974 alone, there's the LA Times "After Andy Warhol's 'Frankenstein'... Andy Warhol's Dracula", and The Philadelphia Inquirer "Andy Warhol's Dracula." In fact, I can't find any contemporary evidence that anything called "Young Dracula" was released in 1974 at all, and the "Young Dracula" released in 1975 appears to have been a retitled Son of Dracula as seen here, "Apple Films presents Ringo Starr in Young Dracula (the blood sucker with a beat"; here, "YOUNG DRACULA, Ringo Starr is long in the tooth in this spoof"; here "Big Horror Show - Ringo Starr in 'Young Dracula'"; here, and "Apple Films presents the first rock-and-roll Dracula Movie! Young Dracula (Son of Dracula)." Ads featuring an R-rated Young Dracula or Andy Warhol's Young Dracula don't seem to appear until late 1976, as seen here and here. This is the significant alternate English language title. --tronvillain (talk) 14:41, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's explained further here (source). Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:11, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Either way, the Andy Warhol related title is explained in the prose in the lead already. I believe its better to explain Warhol's involvement then state the title to show that despite his name being in the title, he does not have much to do with this film. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:16, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I've read that, but you'll notice it doesn't say that Young Dracula was the release title, it says Peraino re-released it as that. Clearly Warhol was barely involved in the production, but that doesn't change the fact that it was the major English language title for decades. It's not like I'm arguing that the article be re-titled, just that it be the parenthetical alternate title - why that is can be explained in the prose later. --tronvillain (talk) 15:24, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If it says it was released under the title Young Dracula, I can't imagine what else it could mean. I still prefer explaining Warhols' relation first. Placing things in brackets in the lead is ok, but if we can fit into prose, thats basically a dozen times better in my books. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:27, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Editor in the infobox

I've left the editor credit empty in the infobox. It's not clear who edited the film as the Italian prints give a different name than others. If further information is found on who did it, please add it to the article. In the meantime, I think it should not be added to the infobox without an explanation in the prose. Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:39, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Gardner, Paul (14 July 1974). "Warhol - From Kinky Sex to Creepy Gothic". The New York Times. Vol. 123, no. 42540. p. D-11.

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