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Former Members / Curent Members

Could someone please explain why Barker and Hoppus are listed as current members and Delonge as a former member? Did DeLonge officially state he had left the band before it went on "indefinate hiatus"? I didn't think he did. SeaFlat 19:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Me neither. I don't think he ever said he'd leave blink-182 when I first heard the hiatus. Alex 19:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Tom Delonge left the band, officially giving Mark Hpoous and Travis Barker full control of Blink-182. If Mark and Travis watned to, they could hire a new guitarist and still be Blink-182. Mark has previously stated that he would not do that, but they legally could carry on as blink-182. 69.15.134.74 18:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

blinkkk was wayy better thann +44 and angels and airwaves.theyyy hadd betterrr songgs,andd wayy betterr videos Chance 6:51pm,09.21.07

Missing Albums and Demos

Before Chesire cat there were two albums not mentioned on the Discography section. There were "flyswatter", and "chesire cat"

Im sorry that i have no source . but if any one does, i would appreciate it. im new to Wiki so and help would be nice. FuzzyTheGood 18:15, 26 February 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by FuzzyTheGood (talk • contribs) 18:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

To answer your question read what it says on the page edit:

Please DO NOT include any other releases (example: demos, EPs, compilations, live recordings, etc.) on this section and this is only intended to list the studio albums of Blink-182's discography. The reason why there is a new page for the discography is that the band has put up many releases other than studio recordings, so this clutters up this article.

You can find the demos listed in the article blink-182 discography.Hoponpop69 05:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Typography

Should anyone doubt that our Manual of Style for trademarks is applicable for band names, the articles "KISS" and "matchbox twenty" have both been moved with consensus to Kiss (band) and Matchbox Twenty respectively. A notice that Blink-128's name is sometimes given in all-lowercase has been added right to the first paragraph, so grammar rules, style guidelines and purists are all equally being served. Cyrus XIII 13:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

First of all putting in "sometimes typeset" is incorrect as it indicates that only a few people do it that way, thus "commonly written" is correct as it is the common name.Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks) is a guideline and not a policy. See Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines where it says "Guidelines are not set in stone and should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception." On the other hand Wikipedia:Naming conventions (which is policy that is a a list of guidelines) says to use the common name, which in this case is blink-182. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 21:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Yo, the band name is blink-182, not Blink-182!! WereWolf 02:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I am not going to repeat much of the rationale behind standardized capitalization, since I have already elaborated on this at length during the move request discussions attached to the precedents I previously named. But since you have brought up the issue of common sense, let's talk about that. To me, it is common sense to...

• ...not just take official or fan-driven, but also independent sources into consideration, when assessing whether an eccentric typeset is used "commonly" or "sometimes". Major newspapers, retailers and music networks apparently don't care that much, which bears the question why a general-purpose publication like an encyclopedia should.

• ...capitalize proper names, which kids in English-speaking countries are taught in kindergarten and most other people around the world during their first English lesson.

• ...consider the Wikipedia-wide ramifications before calling for the "occasional exception" from a guideline. Which by the way is a rhetoric I probably get like four times out of five when applying certain guidelines to a pop-culture-centered article - you know, occasionally.

Apparently all this is not common sense to you, hence my common sense now tells me, that we should just agree to disagree. After all, I'm just here to fix a minor style issue ("minor" from aforementioned Wikipedia-wide point of view), not to have my good faith questioned by having conclusive edit summaries on my part denoted as empty "just because" statements in a borderline-3RR revert war. - Cyrus XIII 03:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, the official band name is "blink-182", not "Blink-182" with a capital B. So why is it up, yo? WereWolf 02:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Cyrus XIII, my apologies, the edit summary should have been "Just because (it's listed as sometimes typeset in other articles) is not a valid reason for that particular edit (phrase to be used here)." It was in no way ment to belittle your edits nor question the fact that the edits you were making are in good faith.

WereWolf, good work on helping Cyrus XIII make his points. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 08:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

You know what? Fuck this. Fuck all of this bullshit. I'm done. WereWolf 14:13, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

• I just checked my blink-182 albums and its written as "blink-182". Why should be unmine their naming by effectivly grammar naziing them on their own name whilst writing an article about them. There is no reason for it to ever be written with a b just because "thats what normally happens". Some bands wrte the names WiTh WeIrD choices of case, and you dont see some self important person come and grammar nazi the name, do you?

Proposed edit: blink-182 (written with a lower case B)

this acknowledges the lower case b, and informs the reader its not a typo

Olir 22:06, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, when bands write their names WiTh WeIrD choices of case, most mainstream print sources choose not to follow that lead, and apply standard rules, just like we do in most such articles here. You ask why we would do that? I think the best reason is that we're not trying to assist trademark holders in brand management, we're trying to convey information. Weird typesettings are a marketing choice, and it's not our place to do their marketing. See WT:MOSTM#Suggested revision for clarity of mixed internal capitalization for more discussion of this point. It turns out there are valid, non-Nazi reasons for applying the standard rules of English. -GTBacchus^(talk) 20:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

• Also, if we have to conform to some stupid rule that says we should be wrong and put a capital b, why do we say "sometimes typeset" its always typeset as blink 182, never as Blink 182. Only people who have made a mistake write it like that, and that mistake was to capitalise. So i say blank out the "sometimes" as its not true. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Olir (talk • contribs) 10:44, March 1, 2007 (UTC).

  I'm not sure we can say that The New York Times, Amazon.com and MTV News are making a "mistake". I think they're applying their house style to a proper noun. It's not correct that the name is "always" typeset with a lower-case 'b', it turns out. Both the upper-case and lower-case versions are routinely used, and we're free to choose either, according to our house style. Our house style, it turns out, is to capitalize proper nouns in the standard fashion, even in cases where trademark holders do it differently. -GTBacchus^(talk) 20:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

• Why don't we say "offcially" typeset as blink 182? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Olir (talk • contribs).

  Because it would put an emphasis on the stylistic preferences of the group/its label, once again bringing up the issue of brand management, GTBachus mentioned earlier. - Cyrus XIII 10:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

• I've observed the rule that we should capitalise the b when talking about them, however common sense tells us that the offcial way of spelling it is with a lower case b, thats what you'll find on all the merch, on your albums on your gig tickets on their websites forums etc.
  Now, with the rule standing that we capitalise the b when we type the name, someone who doesnt know blink has no idea that the real name is with a capital b. The statement "sometimes" is ambiguous and will lead people to believe that maybe on their albums the b will be capitalised or maybe not, basically that current bracketed statement says nothing. The fact is on anything offcial the b wont be capitalised currently we are not recognisining that. Its cool that we write the article with the upper case B, thats the rule, however we must state that on any real blink 182 stuff, you'll never find a capital b. That does NOT mean we write the aricle with lower case b's everytime we say their name it just means that a minor explanation needs to be put, perferrably in that bracketed space explaining that the lower case b is the correct way. I think saying "offcially" instead of "sometimes" would be a perfect way of saying this.

Olir 17:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I must agree with Olir. In addition Wikipedia already has enough credibility problems as it is. Changing band and artist names (good intentions or not) only adds to the problem. Beau99 talk 7:38 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Capitalization?

Should the name be capitalized (Blink-182) or not (blink-182)? Just for the sake of consistency, shouldn't it be one way throughout? vLaDsINgEr 02:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Uh, yeah, whenever i changed the capitalisation/explanation of the capitalisation, some nerdy tw*t would always come and change it back and maybe wave the policy in my face. Why is it now a lower case b with no complaints or disscussion? Olir 22:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok I just went to the official website and they call themselves "blink-182" therefore it is now correct with the no capitalization. Another issue i would like to discuss are the names of the other articles within wikipedia related to blink-182 such as "Blink-182's Discography". Lets change the names from "Blink-182" to "blink-182". Those of you who see this take the time when coming across a blink-182 article, copy and paste this when editing the article: {{lower}} or else simply rename (move) the article with "blink-182" in it, and also rename every Blink-182 to blink-182 (unless it cannot be done such as pictures or important wikipedia links and therefore Blink-182 cannot be decapitalized). Xangel 14:27, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Manual of Style for trademarks basically says your completely wrong to do that, and that it should be a higher case B. But i think it's silly. Olir 16:01, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that. lol now i noe where the rule is applied. For others who are seeing this check that wikipedia link given by Olir. Ill give the rules here as well: "Lowercased trademarks with NO INTERNAL CAPITALS (such as eBay and iPod with capitalized B and P) should always be capitalized" and blink-182 does not have any internal capitals. Thou i still beieve the name still should be blink-182 if maybe we can have a exception. Otherwise all articles relating to blink-182 should be Blink-182. I'll go fix up a few articles i messed with. lol. whoops. Xangel 04:54, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, naturally every editor who feels strongly about a certain subject would want an exception from this guideline or that policy and then there would be little point in having them at all. Anyway, it's nice to see the Manual of Style finally becoming the accepted standard for this and its related articles. - Cyrus XIII 13:54, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

When you find out if its blink-182 or Blink-182, can't you just redirect from a site to another? (someone was speaking of editing all links...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.142.250.14 (talk) 19:38, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Blink-182 (album)

Okay, for about four months, "Blink-182 (album)" was called "(untitled) (blink-182 album)". Now, all of a sudden, it's cited as Blink-182, a self-titled album, for no reason. All of the band members have cited the album as untitled, not self-titled. And what really bugs me is that, in the first sentence: "...is a self- or un-titled album", which is false. I have worked on the article many times, reverted the title, and I'm sick of doing it. References on MTV.com have also said the album was untitled. Anyone who calls the album self-titled, that is WP:NPOV. WereWolf 14:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

So it is a violation of WP:NPOV (if that's the policy you mean), to refer to an album by a handle that is used on the album discography of the band's official website? Lets take a look at Amazon or the All Music Guide, which by the way is one of the few independent sources to indulge the previously discussed typesetting for the band name. Also, we do not invent new formats when referring to an article's subject and "(untitled)" is pretty much unheard of. - Cyrus XIII 19:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, the webmaster obviously doesn't know shit, and amazon and all music guide suck. I have even gone so far to actually meeting blink in real life and asking them. THEY SAID IT WAS UN-FUCKING-TITLED! WereWolf 23:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, how nice of them. I just had dinner with Ringo Starr, he told me, Paul was indeed dead - I'm sure you catch my drift. - Cyrus XIII 02:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I've seen mark call it self titled, i think ive seen them saying it's untitled too. Olir 22:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Although it is a little awkward to use. The band originally looked at the album as 'untitled'. This is easy to see as only the band's name is included on the CD cover. Brandonluvsapril (talk) 17:42, 3 January 2008 (UTC)Brandon

Reason for '182'

Hi there,

The Blink 182 band members went to Poway High School. Poway High School's biggest rival is Rancho Bernardo High School (nicknamed RB). R is the 18th letter of the alphabet and B is the second, thus thus 182. It is a possibility that Blink 182 actually means "Blink" RB, where "Blink" might mean "Beep", or something in place of a cuss word, such as "Fuck RB".

Just another possibility that should be added to the article :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.197.212.235 (talk) 00:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

this is just one conspiracy. but mark said it means nothing in an interview

the real meaning of 182

{{editprotected}} On November 15th 2001, Tom Delonge was a guest on "The Late Late Show With Craig Kilborn". On this Show among other things Tom says the the number 182 was just made up and added to the name. That means that there is no conspiracy meaning behind it. hopefully this will be helpful to some as i have heard literally dozens of rumored explanations. this video can be viewed several places on the net including youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkZwWalE_4A

71.35.243.127 03:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC)forum2003 March 31st, 2007

along with that Tom was interviewed on "Larry King Live", in 2006, on that show he stated that the 182 was just made up despite all the rumors. once again this video can be found in several places including youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h60DfTOZHvE

71.35.243.127 04:23, 1 April 2007 (UTC)forum2003 March 31st, 2007

{{editprotected}} This page is semiprotected; any username more than a few days old can edit it. There is no need for administrator assistance. CMummert · talk 04:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Though I have seen the aforementioned clips with Tom saying that 182 didn't mean anything, I'm still doubtful, especially since Tom is was generally so negative about Blink 182 in the later years. I once read a rumour that the band decided to put a number after Blink to protect themselves from litigation and counted the number of times that Al Pacino says the 'f' word in their favourite film 'Scarface', which is apparently 182 times! I was recently in a bar where you if you answer the trivia question on the wall you recieve a free martini, the question read "how many times does Al Pacino say F#!K in Scarface?" and i remembered the tale and guessed 182, and i was right, the barman was shocked, but Blink were my favourite band growing up! Anyone else heard this one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.94.169.226 (talk) 07:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I have heard this one too as an avid blink fan. It is possible there is a connection, but this seems not to be the case, as Tom says. Any number could have been chosen in the hurry to rename the band after the actual band 'blink' attacked them. Brandonluvsapril (talk) 17:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

There is a movie called Turk 182. Monosyllabic, same ending sound, same number. Is there truly no connection? 71.197.37.141 23:20, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

182 is old american police code for a sex offender, given the nature of the bands sense of humor, this may be rellevent. possibly too obscure though.Raycore (talk) 11:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Dancing with myself

I have a song called dancing with myself by blink 182 and i cant find anywhere what album this is on. i am sure it is blink 182 because the voice is tom and you can hear some mark in the backround. can someone please tell me what album its on thank you.--Jaylee182 03:10, 14 April 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jaylee182 (talk • contribs) 03:09, 14 April 2007 (UTC).

• Its from one of those crappy "Punk goes" albums. I think it's called "Punk goes 80s".Hoponpop69 00:48, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

It's a really cool cover on punk goes 80s Olir 22:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually it's from a compilation called Five Years On The Streets [[1]] Alistic 02:59, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I am unsure of other rumors about this song, but it is included on the soundtrack for a movie called Loose Change. This link proves this. http://www.buymusichere.net/rel/v2_viewupc.php?storenr=20&upc=72061671172&affnr=-1 Brandonluvsapril (talk) 17:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

dancing with myself is a cover of a billy idol song about masturbation.Raycore (talk) 11:28, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

the introduction

It says it was formed by Mark hoppus, tom and scott when i'm pretty sure tom has said he started the band and recruited mark and scott? This is true no? I think ill go and find a source Olir 21:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

i cant remember wher i heard this, but a third party source (not Tom or Mark) said that Mark went down to visit his sister or something after the break up of his former band. There, his sister (or something) mentioned Tom's name, and he went and found him in a skatepark. The two then decided to form a band, and quickly recruited Scott Raynor on drums. -- Aaron —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.184.182.31 (talk) 22:52, 1 September 2007 (UTC) I was wondering why Angels and Airwaves is listed as a different genre and +44 is not? Blink's last untitled CD sounds similar to Angels and Airwaves 66.82.9.75 20:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Not "Former" Members

Why are Mark, Tom and Travis all listed as former members? While it has been said by Mark that Tom had quit the band, it has never been officially stated and thus leaves this to be a disputed topic. Tom and Travis are still part of Blink-182. Even though the band is not currently active, it does not mean that all the members have left. The term "indefinite hiatus" was used for a reason.

• I think to make it simple we are assuming blink 182 disbanded when delonge left as travis and mark said "they could have got a new guitarist and carried on" but they didnt, implying blink 182 came to an end when tom stopped, and is now on hiatus Olir 22:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Note that the guideline for the template in use, Template:Infobox Musical artist, recommends using the Past_members field for all members of an inactive band, regardless of whether they've quit. --Zytsef 22:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, if you check out the talk page, it is not that simple, and leaves it open for editors to use the past and current members fields to distinguish between final line up, and members that left prior to the split. This is more informative, as it provides a quick and easy way of distinguishing between members that previously left the band, rather than having them all heaped in one list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nouse4aname (talk • contribs) 15:01, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Mark Hoppus

Mark Hoppus was born 15 Mars 1972 in Carlifonia, USA. Marks parents get divors when he was 14 years old. He lived with his father. He gets his first bas buy his father, when he hade helpt him to paint the house. From the start (when he was a school-boy) he want to be a English-teacher. But he choose the music instead. He meted Tom when he was 18 years old. From the first day that they meets, they starts writing some songs. His start a new band with Travis Barker, Craig Fairbaugt and Shane Gallagher after that Blink 182 flitter away. They called them selves “+44”. Them´s first CD “When your heart stops beating” comes 2006 and it be a success. He and Travis also own “La salle records”, it´s a record company. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.30.134.28 (talk) 15:33, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

--Yes, thank you....... we know CZMQFRG 21:39, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Blink-182

is it pronounced one eighty two or one eight two —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.222.63.252 (talk) 21:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Blink have stated in an interview that it can be pronounced either way. I prefer to say "one eight two". Rolls off of the tongue ;] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.24.116 (talk) 23:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protection

A while ago, this page's semi-protection stopped. Since then, it's been vandalised al the time. I'd say we put the semi-protection back. It's not like all registered users are gonna miss any big news...--GraafGeorge (talk) 08:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

It has been vandalized a lot recently. I'm going to put in a request at WP:RPP. Timmeh! 22:17, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Reformation

Tom's recent interview proves they're about touring in Canada this summer. Should I mention it? Estonius —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.201.169.202 (talk) 20:06, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Where did you read this interview? You should only mention it if you have found a source. Also, if you do have an account, it would help if you would sign into it and sign your comments with four tildes - ~~~~. Timmeh! 20:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)