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Extent and location of BM range

I've yet to find a good reference which sets out the extent of the Black Mountain range; it may well be the case that different authors have imagined its limits in different places over the years. The extent of the SSSI or of the common can be some very loose sort of guide but no more than that. As to where the range is, the article currently suggests these hills are in Mid, South and West Wales which to the uninitiated reader might suggest the range is especially extensive in Welsh terms whereas it just happens to be at that informally defined 'tri-point'. Is there a better way to express this? Geopersona (talk) 20:11, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Geopersona - I'm not sure that I can help with the definition except to point out, what I am sure is blindingly obvious, is that there are two distinct ranges, The Black Mountain and the Black Mountains, the first mostly in South East Wales and the other mostly in Mid and West Wales. I have seen several (highly unreliable) sources which either concatenate the ranges, confuse them or even swap them to the extent that peaks in one range are attributed to the other . Apologies that this doesn't help a great deal.

It would be relatively easy to circumscribe their extent as being bound by a roughly diamond shape with vertices at Brecon, Abergavenny, Pontrilas and Hay-on-Wye, but finding a reputable soutrce that says that is extraordinarily difficult. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 21:32, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, though that would circumscribe the Black Mountains (plural) but not the Black Mountain (singular)! Now, I too have lost count of the number of occasions when one has been confused for the other - the fact that traditionally they have both been 'Y Mynydd Du' in Welsh and that there is a Black Mountain within the Black Mountains only adds to the feast, as it were. Anyway, I'll be adding some referenced material back in, having stripped quite a bit of unsubstantiated - and indeed sometimes unsubstantiatable - material out recently. cheers Geopersona (talk) 19:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]