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We've got one saying only chestnut can be registered, and another saying there's a few bays and grays. Maybe only stallions are required to be chestnut, and the one source was not translated well? Iamnotabunny (talk) 23:15, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I noticed that too. Iamnotabunny. The Haupt- und Landgestüt Marbach is a reputable national stud, so really ought to know what it's talking about. My guess is that this may have changed with time: the Sambraus source cited by Momke dates from 1994 (though they cite the 1999 edition); this source says that in when the stud-book was closed in 2001, preservation of bay and grey ("Erhaltung der Braunen und der Schimmel") was among the criteria for breeding. The Marbach webpage is presumably (reasonably) up-to-date. Your thoughts? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:54, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I looked at their official site [1], and I don't know German but thanks to google translate I think "Die beliebteste Farbe ist der Kohlfuchs mit hellem Langhaar. Schimmel, Braune und neuerdings auch Rappen treten eher selten auf." is saying that bay, gray, and more recently "cattle"/black are rare. Also I stumbled upon a list of their stallions, and this one is a bay Schwarzwälder kaltblut. It looks like at least now registration isn't limited to flaxen chestnut, but maybe it was before and the archived English version was out of date. Anyway Justlettersandnumbers I'll leave this one for you to sort out. Oh, and I meant to mention before, thanks for expanding the article with good sources. Iamnotabunny (talk) 01:58, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try to take a deeper look soon, Iamnotabunny – unfortunately I read German rather slowly and not without difficulty. Meanwhile, the amount of content you've (re-)added on the silver dapple is disproportionate to its significance – one of the names of this breed is the "Black Forest Chestnut", so it's pretty easy for most people to understand that chestnut is what it is. The source claims that it is sometimes mistaken for silver dapple, but as far as I can see does not source that claim. The material would probably have more relevance in the article on the gene that it does here. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:14, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Justlettersandnumbers: I put the quote and commented out the part I consider less important. The sentence about two having silver could also go. Commented that out too. Mostly, I just want it to explicitly say somewhere that even though they may look like silver dapple, they aren't, because that was the first thing I wondered when I found out about the breed. Iamnotabunny (talk) 20:35, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I just saw your discussion. Even in Germany it is little known that there are not only red Black Forest Horses but also bay, black and grey ones. Over the last years the awareness rose and the national stud of Marbach offered a bay (Landuin) and a black (Ramos, gelded because of bad semen quality) approved stallion. From the grey horses only three are left. But one of them is a young mare, born this years so there is hope that the colour will stay in the breed. Here I have a document from a breeder who writes about the state of breeding these different colours and he show also some pictures. Unfortunatelly it is in German, but I hope it may help you! Second Download Link --Tintenscherz (talk) 22:33, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
