Talk:Black Bag

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On 4 March 2025, it was proposed that this article be moved from Black Bag (film) to Black Bag. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 4 March 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Frost 09:21, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Black Bag (film) → Black Bag – Since Black Bag (character) is a redirect, this sole Wikipedia entry with this exact main title header has no need for the parenthetical qualifier "(film)". A hatnote — For similarly titled topics, see Black bag (disambiguation) — would resolve any ambiguities. If preferred by consensus, I would also support alternative options of either retaining the header Black Bag (film), but moving The Black Bag → The Black Bag (film) or of moving to enhance both film headers — Black Bag (film) → Black Bag (2025 film) and The Black Bag → The Black Bag (1922 film). Additionally, since the Black bag disambiguation page lists three Black Bag/The Black Bag entries and only two lowercase "bag" compound titles (Black bag operation and Black-bag cryptanalysis), yet another alternative option could be the retention of Black Bag (film), but moving the dab page main header Black bag → Black Bag. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 20:53, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support, the 2025 film is the primary topic. Redirect Black bag to the primary topic, and move the dabpage to Black Bag (disambiguation). 162 etc. (talk) 22:27, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- clear primary topic. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:54, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Since the move was approved: the articles that have a comicbook link to Black Bag (from when Black Bag redirected to List_of_Viz_comic_strips), should get updated to linking to Black Bag (character). While there is a Black Bag comic book series published by Legendary Comics, the comic pages that link to Black Bag don't seem be to referring to that Legendary series. --EarthFurst (talk) 08:25, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Budget range

Template:Infobox film budget says do not cherry pick budget figures. The-Numbers.com reports the production budget as $60 million. Variety weren't exactly precise either when they said "Focus Features spent roughly $50 million".[1] (The recurring downside of the Infobox is that it takes a vague statement and misleadingly presents it as a singular figure like as if it was a definitively reported fact. The best we can do is try to explain the conflicting figures in the article body.) The guidelines require us then to include both figures in the Infobox.

Hollywood Reporter said the Focus features paid Soderbergh $60 million in a negative pickup deal.[2] The amount the distributor paid and the production budget are not the same things (as we have seen from Apple on multiple occasions) but sometimes the media conflate the two things. The fee paid by the distributor is not the same as the actual production budget and making the film almost certainly cost less (the article Negative pickup deal explains it well). One could make an educated guess and assume a mistake has been made and not mention the higher $60 million figure but the guidelines expressly tell us not to cherry pick, this encyclopedia is supposed to be based on reliable sources, and cannot selectively make educated guesses or claim sources are reliable one week but not reliable the next, so unless the Numbers issues a correction or makes a retraction we must follow Wikipedia's own rules include both figures. Soderbergh keeps costs down and multi-tasks, he directed produced and edited as he usually does, I wouldn't be surprised if the gross cost of making the film was under £30 million. Perhaps since this film was made in London and probably got film tax credits we will eventually get more accurate information but based on the available currently available sources and Wikipedia guidelines we have to report what the reliable sources say.

TL:DR; budget range is $50-$60 million, but I'd be amazed if the usually thrifty Soderbergh actually spend anywhere near that much. -- 109.79.161.105 (talk) 13:44, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]