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Sources and content for and against Ivanishvili as de facto dictator

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The sources I've seen seem to universally state that for the past several years, Ivanishvili has been the de facto dictator of Georgia, but using different words such as "strongman" or "holding all the tools of real political power" or "autocrat". We need more good sources, and summaries of their content, integrated together, either for or against the view of Ivanishvili as a dictator. In principle, since "dictator" is the simplest word, we could use that, but consensus is unlikely until/if sources use that particular word. My guess is that "dictator" implies a stronger absolute power than "autocrat". To avoid opening that can of worms here, I suggest waiting until/if WP:RS commonly use "dictator".

In any case, we need good sources and content based on those sources - including any good sources that claim that Ivanishvili is not a dictator. So far, I haven't found any. Boud (talk) 17:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are right sources clearly show he's the de facto ruler so that addition is very useful to anyone who is reading and trying understanding who he is. I also agree with avoiding word dictator for now because it is not used widely and would be more disputed. One thing I'm not sure about is saying he's de facto ruler "as of 2024", which sounds like he just recently became ruler. Don't think sources make that claim and some of them, like Transparency International, talk about wide period starting from 2012, so argument can be made he was de factor ruler for many years. I think better just remove 2024 and say he's recognized as de facto ruler without specific timeframe?--LeontinaVarlamonva (talk) 17:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]