Talk:Bhim Army

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Not particularly Dalit, and Minorities include much: Says Chief and reports

The Bhim Army chief says, "The organization works for Bahujan and all minority communities in India, not only for Dalits". The word Bahujan is combined population of the Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes, Other Backward Classes, Muslims, and minorities, who together constitute the demographic majority of India.

—⟩ What the Bahujan is.

I would like to clarify the reasons why using the term "Dalit" may not be universally accepted, and minority includes Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists, Jain and Zorastrians (Parsis).

—⟩ Minority groups in India

—⟩ Dalit could be replaced with Bahujan, Schedule Caste, or Backward Caste.

Here is a video interview of the Bhim Army Chief, clarifying the Bahujan.

Chief's slogan: "Bahujan Hitaya, Bahujan Sukhaya." meaning "Native people's welfare, native people's happiness." can be listed here: Video Interview (Subtitle: English (United States)). A popular newspaper article published very earlier:

—⟩ Bhim Army chief Chandrashekhar Azad’s Ravidas march shows he’s new lion of Bahujan movement

—⟩ Official website quote: "”Bhim Army Bharat Ekta Mission” is a Bahujan social organization in India."

LampVimmW (talk) 11:23, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

'Dalit' to its superset 'Bahujan' or to the constitutional name the Scheduled Caste

Dalit represents a subgroup within the broader category of Bahujan, officially designated as Scheduled Caste in the constitutional framework. It is imperative to underscore the meticulous use of constitutional language in discussing this matter, ensuring adherence to the prescribed legal terminology.

Anyone has issues with it, discuss on my Talk page before removing the changes made.

Thanks LampVimmW (talk) 11:44, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi LampVimmW, to follow up on our discussion on my talk page - your changes appear to be significant and contrary to the reliable sources in the article. I am happy to review the sources and discuss policy and guidelines, but I do need some time to develop a thorough reply, and I appreciate your patience. I have cited WP:ONUS in my recent recert:

While information must be verifiable for inclusion in an article, not all verifiable information must be included. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article. Such information should be omitted or presented instead in a different article. The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.

Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 14:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. I will be waiting for your establishment of Consensus and development of a thorough reply from you. It was great for me that the sources presented by me were reliable and verifiable.

I may discuss you later regarding the Bhim Army.

Thanksgiving. LampVimmW (talk) 14:45, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you - I think there may be a way to make changes that reflect all of the sources (both in the article and the new sources) according to neutral point of view policy and without original research, but before the changes are made, a review of all of the sources is needed, and this will take some time. Thanks again, Beccaynr (talk) 15:27, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is a beginning of a review of sources in the article:

Ambedkarite 2.0: Saharanpur's Bhim Army signals the rise of a new, aggressive Dalit politics (Shoaib Daniyal, Scroll.in, May 13, 2017)
On Friday, the Uttar Pradesh police [...] claimed it was ready to use the draconian National Security Act on the Dalit organisation’s leaders. [...] Chandrashekhar started the Bhim Army in 2015, as a tool to fight caste oppression. [...] “We were working on the ideals of Babasaheb [Ambedkar],” explained [National President of the Bhim Army] Vinay Ratan Singh.
The lowdown on the Bhim Army (Omar Rashid, The Hindu, June 10, 2017)
The Bhim Army Bharat Ekta Mission or the Bhim Army is a fledgling group of mostly Dalit volunteers who claim to champion the Dalit cause. Focussed on quick redress of caste-based atrocities and discrimination, promoting education and social awareness among Dalits and propagation of Ambedkarite values, the group considers itself a social counter-movement to Brahmanical ideology. [...] The prime attraction of the group is its stress on direct action based on confrontation to preserve, protect or restore the dignity of Dalits. [...] The Bhim Army was formed around 2015 after a group of Dalit youths raised its voice over stray cases of discrimination and oppression in Saharanpur. It came into the limelight when Mr. Azad put up a board in his native village extolling his caste identity: “The Great Chamar of Dhadkauli Welcome You.”
Fighting spirit (Divya Trivedi, Frontline/The Hindu, Jan 17, 2018)
...Chandrashekhar Azad ‘Ravan’ emerged as the face of the Dalit movement when he put up a board outside his village with the words: “The Great Chamars of Dhadkuli Welcome You”. He organised Dalit youths under the banner of Bhim Army...
Bhim Army to formally join politics (IANS/India Today, Dec 12, 2019)
The Bhim Army, till now, had avoided directly entering politics though it did work as a quasi-political force that dabbled in politics but did not contest elections. [...] The Bhim Army chief said that he will also build up a campaign against the Citizen Amendment Bill and another in support of farmers, Dalits and other sections that were being marginalized by the ruling party.
Chandrashekhar Azad is building a dalit-Muslim coalition to take on BJP (Pratul Sharma, The Week, February 22, 2020)
Basing his ideology on dalit rights and making caste the central theme of his politics, Azad is garnering attention across the country. [...] Azad and a friend Vinay Ratan Singh set up the Bhim Army in July 2015, a few months after the Rajputs of the Gharkoli village in Uttar Pradesh objected to dalits putting up a board which said “The Great Chamar”, in a symbolic attempt to assert their identity. [...] Azad, however, is clear about his plans. “Kanshi Ram ji is my guru. He is the one who showed us the way to political power. I represent the Bahujan identity. Kanshi Ram rallied the Bahujan community which includes SCs, STs, OBCs and minorities who had been away from the mainstream for long.”

Beccaynr (talk) 00:51, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]