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Beyoncé's three-act project was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 19 March 2024 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Beyoncé. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.
her genres should be listed as R&B funk-pop soul hip hop dance
she only has a handful of songs that are afrobeats and she only has one country album a big bulk of her catalouge is funk and soul country and afrobeats shouldnt be included in her primary genres 99.209.57.138 (talk) 16:57, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that her lead sentence has hidden text insisting on calling her a businesswoman. However, I checked the talk page archives and I do not see consensus to call her a businesswoman- what is exactly making her a businesswoman that differentiates it from other celebrities? Besides her own haircare line and Ivy Park, has she notably been a "businesswoman?" She's more of an actress than a businesswoman. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 02:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After doing some copyediting, I've gotten it back down to 4 paragraphs, but it still exceeds the maximum of 400 words for the lead section (it is currently at 488). I do agree that information about her cultural impact should be mentioned, but be concise, as there are only so many ways to say "Beyonce is very good." PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 03:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are also too many EFNs in her lede paragraph. This should be changed to bulleted points with all the sources and their appropriate quotes. I'll try to convert the EFNs later when I have the time. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 03:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bgkc4444: I appreciate your constructive tightening of the lead section instead of edit-warring. However, I am opening a discussion here on the talk page to discuss specific things being highlighted in her lead section (e.g, how is she exactly a businesswoman, why did you remove her actress title, and why should her business ventures be mentioned, etc.) PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 12:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since 50~ sources have been added to the lead, I'll be evaluating these sources to see if they're high quality and meet the standards of Wikipedia. Furthermore, I'll be converting them to a more readable format and also potentially moving it to the body of the article instead of the lead where extensive sources may be better. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 12:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First efn tackles her "influence as a cultural figure", so I picked high-quality sources that specifically mention her influence. This includes the AP and Grammy references. The USA today sources, which also specifically mention her influence, is pretty good as well. I am also keeping the Business Insider source as it's pretty high quality. The rest of the sources are pretty low quality, and aren't specific to the prose (Beyonce is an influential artist) PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 12:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Second efn is fairly weaker. The only strong source is the Time Magazine, the OkayPlayer source is very weak (it isn't even OkayPlayer the publication, it's being attributed to someone else), and the Vox source is better in the "good source list" that I'm making right now calling her one of the most important cultural figures. The last source is unrelated and talks about her talk-rapping, which might be better in Cultural impact of Beyoncé. Besides the first source, the specific quote of "changing the music industry" does not have enough sources to be attributed to Beyonce specifically. If this will be challenged by sources saying such, please remember to use high quality sources that are very specific and not vague about her impact on the music industry. I would also appreciate being able to see these sources to check if they fall under the RS guidelines. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 12:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Third efn has enough sources (four) to support publications naming her "monocultural" moments, so I think that's worth keeping, but avant-garde is very vague and is a term usually used for fine arts, not very much for music. Both self-titled and Lemonade are concept albums, so I think that's a more fitting term than "avant garde." I am also converting these sources and throwing out the more vague sources. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 13:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fourth efn tackles that she's been named artist of the decade. This does not need an EFN, the Business Insider and Guardian sources are enough to prove that she's been named the artist of both the 2000s and 2010s decade by different publications.
Fifth efn tackles the situation that her albums have ranked amongst the best of all time, but many artists albums are on these "best albums of all time" lists, but it isn't mentioned in their leads because those lists are always ever changing and not permanent. I think this should be taken out and potentially recontextalized to be in line more with Wikipedia's NPOV and MOS. I will be opening a seperate discussion for this. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 13:22, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Many artists with entries in these listicles naming the greatest albums of all time usually do not have it mentioned in the lead. I personally feel that the text regarding critics naming her albums as some of the best would fit more on Beyoncé albums discography, as that page is specifically catered to albums.
Generally, the intro paragraph already implies that Beyonce is very acclaimed for her work, and her albums acclaim is already mentioned in the 3rd paragraph. I feel that "critics calling her work the best of all time" is a redundant sentence that may be better off being moved to an Impact or Achievements section. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 13:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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