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MadTV

Do we really need not one but two external links relating to a MadTV sketch? I'm thinking no. Butterboy 16:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced names

I removed the following unsourced names from the list of famous users. Per our policy on biographies of living people, potentially derogatory unsourced information about living people cannot remain on Wikipedia. In case anyone wants to go searching for sources, here, without any opinion expressed about whether they have in fact used the Center's facilities, is the removed list:

Billy Joel^{[citation needed]}, Mary Tyler Moore^{[citation needed]}, Kelsey Grammer^{[citation needed]}, Johnny Cash^{[citation needed]}, Jerry Lee Lewis^{[citation needed]}, Anna Nicole Smith^{[citation needed]}, Elizabeth Taylor^{[citation needed]}, Stevie Nicks^{[citation needed]}, Ozzy Osbourne^{[citation needed]}, Deidre Hall^{[citation needed]}, Jerry Garcia^{[citation needed]}, and Keith Urban^{[citation needed]}.

TSP (talk) 03:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

we should add that once tom araya or kerry king i forget which one said dave mustaine lived there as a joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.225.25.37 (talk) 07:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

X-Files

In the episode "Anasazi," Mulder facetiously answers that he is at the Betty Ford Center when the cancer man calls and asks him where he is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.103.49.4 (talk) 21:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another Simpsons reference

Marge vs the Monorail has a reference, the second 'celebrity' just got out of the "Betty Ford Clinic". --TIB (talk) 20:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possible article merge

This clinic was just merged with the larger Hazelden Foundation in Minnesota. Perhaps only one article necessary now? --67.6.32.244 (talk) 15:20, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dates

The Betty Ford Center merged with Hazelden Foundation on February 10, 2014, to create the Hazelden Betty Ford Foundation... In 2015, the Betty Ford Center opened an outpatient addiction treatment clinic in West Los Angeles.

Presumably, the last part should read the Hazelden Betty Ford Foundation opened an outpatient addiction treatment clinic... Valetude (talk) 22:25, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge of Hazelden Betty Ford Foundation into Betty Ford Center

Contested BLAR (@Graywalls:). This article has a longer history and is also about the center that predated the merger of the two. The Hazelden article is UPE and only focuses on the history of the merged organizations. Even if this article is ultimately merged there, the history should remain not just one sentence on its founding. Thoughts? Star Mississippi 02:12, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Star Mississippi:, A lot of it is promotional fluff and routine thing, such as opening of the facility. Do you believe there should be multiple articles or selectively merge into one? I don't have a preference on what goes where, but there shouldn't be three pages and a lot of the cruft needs to go. Graywalls (talk) 02:20, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For simplicity, calling them Hazelden and BFC to distinguish and not type out the full name in each instance.

I think the first two "paragraphs" (as written, not that they should be) of BFC are worth retention in addition to the one you added to Hazelden. BFC operated for ~ 30 years before merging and that history is useful without being promotional, or can be tweaked to be so. I think the common name is probably BFC, but don't feel strongly about that as it will redirect if it's not the primary. What's the 3rd article? I thought we were just talking about Hazelden and BFC? Star Mississippi 02:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I see, it's the original Hazelden which you redirected. For clarity for any wandering in, my Hazelden above was re Hazelden BFF, not the main Foundation.

I do think there should be one article since all three were short. Looking at this version before you redirected, I agree it's v. promotional, moreso IMO than BFC. I think we could easily have a paragraph on the pre-merger histories with level 2 headers if even needed and a section on post 2014. I know google doesn't answer it, but Betty Ford Center/Clinic still seems to be the predominant usage. Star Mississippi 02:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Star Mississippi:, Betty Ford Center merged with Hazelden to become the Hazelden Betty Ford Foundation and the very last is the current name. So, from titling perspective, I think it would make sense to use the latest name and re-direct the companies that formed into it.

We could work it into Better Ford Center, delete the HBFF created by UPE to make way, or work it into HBFF that's in place now. Isn't it the convention to use the latest name? Graywalls (talk) 22:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per my reading of WP:COMMONNAME, no. It's what is most commonly used which remains BF Center/Clinic. OUtside of sourcing where folks use the full name for branding and other reasons, it still skews heavily to BFC. I think Hazelden makes sense as the redirect. Star Mississippi 02:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge of all 3 articles (for short text and context) to Hazelden Betty Ford Foundation. The organization merge was a decade ago, and while those of us of a certain vintage might well recognize Betty Ford Center as the more recognizable name, we're not going to be startled by a redirect to something like a section headed Betty Ford Center in the history section of the current organization. It's this issue of 'startle' that is reason behind WP:COMMONNAME. As the names are compound, using ngram counts aren't that helpful, but it's worth noting that Hazelden Betty Ford is rising (over the last 4 year) while Betty Ford is falling. Klbrain (talk) 10:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]