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Tenth debate

I added some (sourced) content noting that the tenth debate was cancelled after it became impossible for Sanders to win the nomination. This is surely important - the rest of the paragraph makes it seem like she was avoiding debate despite the race being wide open. Seraphimblade deleted it, saying "it's a bit excessive of detail for a biography. Might belong in the article about the primary." Thoughts? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 23:50, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing the discussion here, Absolutelypuremilk. I concur with Seraphimblade that it's too particular a detail for this biography, but would be appropriate in Bernie Sanders presidential campaign, 2016. I feel that most of the paragraph in question, likewise is too detailed. I would condense it to read: "A tenth and last debate was scheduled for May 24, in California, but was cancelled after it became apparent that Clinton had the necessary delegates to clinch the nomination. On March 12, Sanders charged Republicans with trying to "shove" through—by not holding hearings—the American Health Care Act, a bill to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act. After House Speaker Paul Ryan pulled the bill on March 24, Sanders called the cancellation "a major victory for the working families of this country and for the hundreds of thousands who attended rallies and town hall meetings in opposition to this bill." On May 4, in response to the House voting to repeal and replace Obamacare, Sanders predicted "thousands of Americans would die" from no longer having access to healthcare.

I shorted it to this which I feel is adequate:

On May 4, 2017, in response to the House voting to repeal and replace The Affordable Care Act, Sanders predicted "thousands of Americans would die" from no longer having access to healthcare. Gandydancer (talk) 19:20, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

I know what you shortened. My question relates to why you choose to only change or edit content after I add something? The information seemingly was fine the entire time that passed between my last entry and this one so why now bother it? Also I'm having a hard time understanding what is supposed to go in the Senate section given that everything relating to healthcare that I added took place and had to do with him being a Senator, which is why I chose to include it there. - Informant16 May 17, 2017

Hi, Informant16. Thank you for the material that you introduced. I concur that it was a helpful addition. I can make two observations here:

1. If the material had covered an action that Sanders took, regarding Senate business, it would have properly remained in the Tenure section. However, he was commenting about legislation on the House side, so it properly belongs in the Political positions section.
2. The other question is how much material to add on a given news item. As discussed in a now-archived section, adding only summarized essentials in the main article keeps it from growing overly long. Political positions of Bernie Sanders has more room for detail.

Therefore, I support Gandydancer's decision to relocate and trim. However, I feel that we owe you the courtesy to discuss making such changes to your contributions, since you are comparatively new to how editors interact. We want you to stay interested and engaged—you're doing good work! However, this is a place that runs on consensus and we have to expect our contributions to be transitory at times. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 03:12, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi, HopsonRoad. Thank you for your input, but I'm having a hard time understanding some components of your views. Several times you've referred to the political positions article as being where things can be more detailed and therefore my content can be included, and yet when this user took it upon him/herself to delete my content, they made no effort to place that content on the political positions article, thereby reducing my work to a waste of time. Secondly, this article is not long, literally only being half the size of the Trump article and less than the HRC article, the latter of whom isn't even in office anymore. I would say we just compromise and I create articles on his term, ideally a Senate career of Bernie Sanders, 2007-2016 and Senate career of Bernie Sanders, 2017-present, akin to the Senate career of John McCain, 2001-2014 article. That way issues can be addressed within a presidential term similarly to the McCain one. - Informant16 May 18, 2017

Hi Informant16, you are welcome to start a discussion on your proposal in a new section, based on guidance found in WP:SUBARTICLE. Regarding your earlier more extensive contribution, you can quickly return to that revision, go into edit mode, and copy the text that you provided to place elsewhere. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 02:02, 19 May 2017 (UTC)