Talk:Bernard Foing

Bernard Foing was a Natural sciences good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
August 28, 2010	Good article nominee	Not listed

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Hello, I've started this article

This article is a stub. Before nominating it for deletion, please examine all of these reliable sources which mention Bernard Foing including the following:

BBC News
Physics World
Astronomy.com
Cosmos Magazine
FOX News
Mars Society
MSNBC
New Scientist
NPR
Science Magazine
San Fancisco Gate
Space.com
USA Today

Here are some more sources we can use about SMART-1:

ESA Science & Technology: SMART-1
Solar System Exploration: Missions: By Target: Moon: Past: SMART-1
SMART-1's bridge to the future exploration of the Moon
SMART-1 set for more lunar science
SMART-1 celebrates its first year in space
Impact landing ends SMART-1 mission to the Moon

I'll try to work them into the article or perhaps add them as external links. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 18:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Potential sources we can use to expand Mars Express section

Scientists Struggle to Digest Surprises from Europe's Mars Craft
Ice belt 'encircled Mars equator' 
Methane found in Mars atmosphere
Say cheese for the Mars probe
Hints of Habitability from the Mars Express^{[unreliable source?]}
Hints of Habitability
A first case study of mapping Martian geology with Mars Express  data: the Gusev area
HRSC: the High Resolution Stereo Camera of Mars Express
Mars Express sees its first water – scientific results
Mars Express radar gauges water quantity around Mars’ south pole
LAYOUT-2/MARS EXPRESS

A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 19:32, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion of Job Titles?

The article current states "Bernard Foing is Chief Scientist and Senior Research Coordinator at the European Space Agency (ESA)". Is this one job title or two? Either way, is he at this/these position(s) for ESA as a whole or for the Research and Scientific Support Department? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 03:21, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it's a single title... seems to be, anyway. Since the question is being asked though, and it seems a reasonable question to ask, we should really find a source for it. I have no clue if he's still there or not, either.:(
— V = I * R (talk to Ω) 04:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed it to 'scientist' until we get more clarification. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 00:47, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is a very good idea until a source the verifies that title can be found. Chillum 00:50, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Should biography section be third or first?

Currently, the biography section is the third section of article. Should it be first? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 04:01, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really know, at this point. I wasn't particularly concerned about it yesterday, and I don't think we're at the point where we need to worry about it. We just need to add some more content, right now.
— V = I * R (talk to Ω) 04:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid that this might be just about all the content we're going to get (unless we resort to using more primary sources). I've spent the last two days looking for sources and this content is the best I've been able to come up with. I'm still looking but I think I've hit the point of diminishing returns. I can't even find the guy's birthday. (Of course, I'm searching online. I have no idea what exists in print). BTW, this is apparently his LinkedIn page[1]. Unfortunately, it's hidden, we have no official confirmation that it's really his, and even still, at best it could only be used as a primary source. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 04:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First (after the lead section). Bubba73 (talk), 05:51, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That works for me... if this is going to be it, we should probably combine a couple of sections, anyway. I added a bunch, but that was in anticipation of more content. I have to say, Bio's kind of suck. I really think I'd rather just stick to equipment and events, personally.
— V = I * R (talk to Ω) 06:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Noah's Cosmic Ark: Preserving DNA on the Moon

We could probably write a paragraph (or so) about Fiong's advocacy of creating a lunar gene bank:

Could a Lunar Gene Bank Save Our Species?
Noah's Cosmic Ark: Preserving DNA on the Moon
Could a Lunar Gene Bank Save Our Species?
Plans for 'doomsday ark' on the moon
Mankind's secrets kept in lunar ark
Noah's Ark plan from top Moon man
Noah's Ark on the Moon

The last one is a primary source. I'm pretty busy during the week so I probably won't get around to it until this weekend. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 22:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Request for comment

I created an article on Bernard Foing, the Principle Project Scientist for SMART-1, the European Space Agency's first mission to the Moon. I could use a subject matter expert to do a sanity check that what I've written is correct. I've done the best that I can in finding reliable sources to cite. But, to be honest, I'm not a professional biographer. In fact, I never heard of this guy until a couple days ago. Though the article is only a couple days old, it's already #10 on Google search results for "Bernard Foing"[2]. There are no content disputes or anything going on. I'm pretty much the only editor working on the article. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 01:44, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

After spending more time researching Foing, I'm a little more confident in the article's content and I'm not sure this RfC is still necessary. The only thing that there was some confusion on was his job title, which we weren't able to resolve, so we removed it and now it describes him as simply a "scientist".[3] A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 20:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

hey i read the discussion page from the moon landing conspiracy hoax, specifically the part that mentions the creation of this article. good job, keep up the good work. if you need help, let me know ill be glad to help out here. I think that scientist would work here, i couldnt find anything as of yet either. but am still looking. MACKEL ♠ 06:50, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Found broken link

I've gone through the article and checked if any of the cited refs were broken. Reference 9[4] is currently broken. I checked at Archive.org, but they don't have an archive for it. If anyone can find a new link, or new reference for this information, that would be great. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 03:08, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, fixed.[5] A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 19:22, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Bernard Foing/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Adavis444 (talk) 09:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC) From the Wikipedia:Good article criteria, GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria[reply]

As Adavis444 has not implemented a review, despite a reminder on their talk page, i am taking over this review. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:28, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Disambiguations: No dabs found.

Linkrot: No dead links found. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:33, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Checking against GA criteria

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
The lead does not adequately summarise the article. Please read WP:LEAD.

Prose is reasonable.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
References appear OK, but few mention him in more than passing as an author.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
As a biography, this is not at all broad in its coverage, the article is primarily about projects that Foing has been involved in. As a BLP it is still stub class.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Non free images must not be used in the infobox or lead for BLPs, as per WP:Fair use#Images
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

I am failing this nomination at the present time as I feel that the article is not sufficiently broad in its coverage. The points about the lead and the non-free image also need to be addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:30, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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