Talk:Benjamin William Page

B class review

B class. This is my B class review of the article. See my comment below. Djmaschek (talk) 17:00, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

• Unclear sentence: "His family were on close terms with that of another Ipswich local, Rear-Admiral Sir Edward Hughes, especially so his father, Reverend R. Leman, and his uncle, Reverend J. Leman." Comment: It's not clear from the sentence whether Rev. Leman is the father of Page or Hughes. If Leman is Page's father, why are their last names different? Is Page a step-son?

@Djmaschek: Thanks for the review. Per the sources referenced in "Early life" and "Family", which are the only ones I've been able to locate that discuss his family in any detail: Page's father was the Rev. R. Leman and his uncle the Rev. J. Leman. His brother was named Samuel Page. He had nephews named Robert Leman Page, Samuel Flood Page, and Luke Flood Page, and nieces named Charlotte Page, Elizabeth Page, and Sophia Page. I think this demonstrates that the Leman and Page families were one and the same or at least connected through multiple marriages, however as of right now I have found no source that definitively says what the connection was. Putting his information into Ancestry actually provides a different set of parents but I've absolutely no sources to back that up. I'm going to keep looking in the hope that there will be something clearer out there! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 17:34, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

@Pickersgill-Cunliffe: Some people in these English families took the mother's name. That might occur if he inherited from his mother's family (see Barnard Foord Bowes, Early career, paragraph 1). I asked the question because, if I was puzzled about this, other readers will probably be puzzled also. Djmaschek (talk) 18:16, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

@Djmaschek: Currently no idea who the mother was, unfortunately! Interestingly one thing I have come across in my search so far is a request for help from a historian in the 1800s who was also struggling to find members of Page's family! Will continue looking and hope to clarify as much as possible shortly (update: found a better source that provided details of parents - seems the other source I was using confused some different generations of his maternal family). Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 18:33, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:17, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

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HMS Caroline off Shakespeare Head, by Thomas Buttersworth

• ... that Admiral Benjamin William Page was the first to bring news of the Napoleonic Wars to the East Indies, using HMS Caroline (pictured)?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ricochet (Faith No More song)

Created by Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk). Nominated by A. C. Santacruz (talk) at 16:26, 5 September 2021 (UTC).

• The article is new enough and long enough. I assume good faith on the references that I can't access. The image is fine. A QPQ has been completed. However, I don't see the hook in the article. I see "In May 1803 he was sent in the frigate, with secret orders announcing the start of the Napoleonic Wars, to the East Indies where his patron the now Vice-Admiral Rainier was still commander-in-chief." and "The war being very new, Page was able to use his awareness to his advantage". It seems likely to be the case, but that would be synthesis. SL93 (talk) 09:38, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

• Fair. Would changing the wording help? I agree on the synthesis point. An alternative:

ALT1: ... that Admiral Benjamin William Page was tasked with announcing the start of the Napoleonic Wars to the East Indies, using HMS Caroline (pictured)?

I'm not sure if "tasked" is the appropriate word here but do let me know what you think of this ALT SL93 A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 09:57, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Approving ALT1. SL93 (talk) 10:04, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 05:14, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

• It's unclear what war Sadras, Providien, Negapatam, and Trincomalee were part of - recommend making this clearer Done
• " Page was appointed next to the frigate HMS Astraea on 19 October 1796 as her second lieutenant, serving on the Jamaica Station" - Do you mean 1786? Done - woops!
• "He left Inflexible in February 1802 and went on half pay" - Is it known why? Semi-retirement, illness, excess of commanders over ships? Done - I can't categorically say why, but the timing coincides almost perfectly with the start of the Peace of Amiens which saw government immediately start decommissioning ships to cut costs. I've added that he went on half pay as the Peace started but can't in good faith say any more.
• Is De Haasje the same ship as the Batavian brig that became HMS Phosphorus (1804)? If so, would a piped link be appropriate? Also, Page's report in the London Gazette about the encounter with Haasje states that the ship's dispatches were thrown overboard. Marshall and O'Byrne both support the British knowing the dispatches though. Is there anything in other sources that would clarify this inconsistency with his Gazette report? Done - The ships are one and the same, thanks for bringing that to my attention, I'm amazed I wasn't already aware of it! The dispatches are a conundrum. It's possible that Page looked to hide the fact the dispatches had been taken intact, because the Gazette was an easily accessible publication by ally and enemy alike. Of course this is just conjecture, I've changed the text to focus more on the arrival of the ship itself at Saint Helena as the catalyst rather than more specifically any dispatches she may or may not have had on board.
• Sources and images all look fine.

Good work here; placing on hold. Hog Farm _Talk 05:21, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

@Hog Farm: Hi, thanks for reviewing this! I've responded to all your comments. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 07:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)