Talk:Bear Brook murders

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A mother and her two children cannot really disappear unnoticed. I was wondering if the NH State Police, RI State Police or the Federal Bureau of Investigation, ever investigated the possibility that the women found were Elaine Carolyn Yates and her two children, Kimberly Ann Yates and Kelly Ann Yates, of Warwick, RI? The two daughters were around the ages specified by the NH State Police, although Elaine I believe was 37-38 at the time of the disappearance. This could very easily be determined, by obtaining a DNA sample from the girls father, Mr. Russell M. Yates Jr., and comparing it to the DNA of the two Bear Brook victims, known to be related to the adult victim. Even if this turned out to be true, it would still be a mystery who the third little girl was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.245.36.101 (talk) 20:02, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

why is the girl in the second picture wearing an albanian flag shirt? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.20.98.234 (talk) 11:39, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

External media

@Wahrmund: You wrote: "These images are either public records (not copyrightable) or were made by a non-profit organization which would have no reason to copyright them". In the US, works are copyrighted automatically, by default - while a non-profit may not have a reason to copyright them, unless they've expressly released them into the public domain or under a free license, the works are in fact copyrighted. And public records are generally copyrighted also, unless they are federal government works (which does not appear to be the case here, although it's hard to tell since we're not linking to the original source). Thus, the "external media" links you've restored cannot be included, per WP:LINKVIO. That being said, you could replace them with links to the original sources instead, which would not pose a LINKVIO problem. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:39, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Are you a copyright lawyer? I do not believe that government documents are copyrighted. I have inserted links in the article which go to sites owned by the creators of the images. Wahrmund (talk) 21:09, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"NCMEC does copyright their images. I personally messaged the organization last year requesting them to grant OTRS permissions to include higher-resolution images, which they declined, stating "NCMEC reconstructions are created for official dissemination by NCMEC and the investigators working the cases." The watermarked logo for their images also indicates copyright. --GouramiWatcher^Talk 21:36, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

On another note, @Nikkimaria:, would it be alright to use external links to images hosted on the NamUs profiles for the victims? The organization is government-run, so I presume they followed regulations revolving around using the NCMEC images.--GouramiWatcher^Talk 21:55, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that would be fine. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:00, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Rethinking this story

Now that so much is known and that the story goes way beyond these four murders, maybe we need an article about Rasmussen telling the whole story?

I, for one, would like to see a timeline of all the related known facts. Where he was when and what notable events happened at each point.

--В²C ☎ 18:32, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would endorse a separate article about Rasmussen, who has been implicated in a series of crimes unrelated to Bear Brook. Denise Beaudin, who is currently linked in the See also section doesn't actually have an article and only has a short section on the tangentially-related Disappearance of Laureen Rahn. Beaudin could either have a separate article or a much larger section on a separate article about Rasmussen. There's a lot of things to cover here and I don't know how much is in scope for the four murders that this article details.LM2000 (talk) 22:33, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I support Rasmussen getting his own article, but this set of murders are notable on its own. A lot was known about these cases before he was even linked to them.--GouramiWatcher^Talk 02:45, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have time to work on this right now. Just leaving this link here as a useful source showing a timeline about Rassmussen. [1]. Also, here's a super light start: User:Born2cycle/Terry_Rasmussen. Anyone, feel free to edit it. When it's at least at decent stub quality we can put in main article space. --В²C ☎ 22:49, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and expanded Terry Peder Rasmussen.LM2000 (talk) 06:16, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Over-looked

Steve Lux, Jnr. seems to have over-looked the fact that the version denied by 2610 hasn't got any sources either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.15.21.214 (talk) 12:20, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The records of the Ancestry site should show who posted anything.

The Boston Globe may not be reliable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.15.21.214 (talk) 12:25, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

82.15.21.214 (talk) - What? Steve Lux, Jr. (talk) 14:58, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, what? There hasn't been a controversy of note at the BG since 2005... --Trans-Neptunian object (talk) 17:41, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge of Bear Brook (podcast) into Bear Brook murders

No consensus to merge. -2pou (talk) 14:47, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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insufficient refs for a separate article DGG ( talk ) 07:47, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like a good idea to me. Jessamyn (talk) 18:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I think there are sufficient refs. As there are sufficient refs to include the podcast in this article then there are sufficient refs to support a separate article. The notability for inclusion requirements are the same for material in full articles as in parts of other articles. —В²C ☎ 18:55, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~Support~~ It appears in some coverage but it's briefly mentioned in articles about the murders and Rasmussen. I don't think its independently notable.LM2000 (talk) 19:39, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Article has since been updated and the new references are enough to satisfy WP:GNG. It's independently notable.LM2000 (talk) 20:12, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Per above statements. --GouramiWatcher^Talk 22:53, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The podcast has been downloaded more than 12 million times and I think there are sufficient refs for a separate article, but it just takes a bit of searching because the murders and the podcast have the same name. Mukedits (talk) 19:06, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Bear Brook Jane Doe was found to be primarily White with partial Asian, Black, and Native American ancestry, and the killer’s daughter believes the victim to be half-Asian.

https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Bear_Brook_Jane_Doe https://www.wmur.com/article/daughter-of-suspected-serial-killer-says-she-changed-life-after-learning-about-father/27893341 2600:8805:C07:600:85A:6C80:C2FC:2F6B (talk) 18:32, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]