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Just a stub, just a start. Older effort I decided to put on line before I lost the info. Jrcrin001 (talk) 17:51, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Clarify: which of two August engagements?

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Present lead text describes a late August engagement on the Saline River northwest of (new) Fort Hays, whereas the Bob Wilhelm citation's physical description is consistent with the August 2 engagement north of Campbell's Camp (Victoria, Kansas) and Fort Hays.

In Ups and Downs of an Army Officer, Armes reports two separate engagements on the Saline River:

  • August 2, in response to the killing if 7 construction workers at Campbell's Camp, which was at the railroad's crossing of North Folk Big Creek (Victoria), which lies entirely north and east of Fort Hays. Armes proceeded 15 miles north to the Saline, which he then followed 12 miles west, where he was wounded and also formed the square illustrated on page 238. This places him essentially 15 miles north of Fort HaysYocemento in early August.
  • Armes later reports marching well to the northwest on the Republican, Beaver, Solomon, and Prairie Dog, with combat on the Saline on August 18 ("late" August), and on Prairie Dog on August 21.

Several "sources" described the "Battle of the Saline River" as "One of the first battles of the 10th was the Battle of the Saline River. This battle occurred 25 miles northwest of Fort Hays in Kansas near the end of August 1867".

The August 2nd engagement is the earlier action of the 10th 13-15 miles north of Fort Hays. But the August 18th engagement was nearer the "end of August" and was 25 miles (or more) northwest of Fort Hays.

The whole of the article seems consistent with Armes' journal of August 2nd, so I propose change the lead to "This battle occurred on the Saline River north of Fort Hays in Kansas on August 2, 1867." and cite Armes, pages 236-239. The problem is that I know of no more reliable source for dating and locating the battle (e.g., any legitimate U.S. military publication) other than Armes'. IveGoneAway (talk) 17:49, 2 December 2018 (UTC) 15:37, 2 January 2020 (UTC) 19:10, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have discovered the Battle of Saline River site. It is 15.5 miles north by northwest of Fort Hays location. Pilgrim1867 (talk) 00:00, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Happy to hear it. I think my brother here of this. Do you have publication?
IveGoneAway (talk) 01:29, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In progress I wrote a book, still with publisher 2604:9D80:A100:1910:5C95:B8ED:321A:C646 (talk) 14:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Saline River was first engagement. Three weeks afterwards he again fought on Prairie Dog Creek. 2604:9D80:A100:1910:5C95:B8ED:321A:C646 (talk) 14:32, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Great! I would say though, what I am looking for secondary sources that make the distinction between the Aug 2 and Aug 18 engagements to counter the secondary sources that confuse the two.
IveGoneAway (talk) 19:10, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clarify: the first of two August engagements, then ...

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I have worked on this article to focus it on the first engagement, August 2.

I have also started on a sandbox article for the second engagement, Battle of Prairie Dog Creek (Kansas, 1867).

IveGoneAway (talk) 02:28, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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