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Note that the now added source Julius Cramer is a book from 1899, not 1971, and more importantly that page 220[1] has nothing about this battle (nor does a search for "506" reveal anything relevant and "strassburg" seems to be about the 357 battle). Please don't simply translate pages without actually checking the sources. Fram (talk) 09:18, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't jump to conclusions, once again, wrongly. I read the book before adding the source. You've gone to a different page - there seem to be two page 220s, not sure why. The relevant one talks about the "Battle around 501 - 507" and then talks about renewed fighting between Clovis and the Alamanni and e.g. that the "battle-weary remainder fled to the second Rhaetia". It is true that the original source was published in 1899. I assume the 1971 date listed on Google, was a reprint date. I'll change that. I'm sorry, I'm human. --Bermicourt (talk) 13:53, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"No results in this book for Rhaetia". Can you please include links (in cases like this where the source is available online)? You can also find it here: the page you want is page 584 of this pdf[2]. That book says "Wann und wo dies geschehen, ist nicht zu ersehen". Not really enough to base an article about a 506 battle in Strasbourg on, obviously. As I said at the AfD, which sources actually discuss a potential "Battle at Strasbourg" in 506? You have 5 references, and 6 bits of literature, but no indication of where this article is actually based upon (as compared to e.g. the Battle of Tolbiac which may well be the batle meant in e.g. Cramer). Fram (talk) 14:10, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, here's one for starters that I've just added to the article. In Geuenich, p. 429, it says: "Claude geht, wie inzwischen die meisten Historiker, von zwei beziehungsweise von drei Schlachten zwischen Franken und Alemannen aus: Die erste habe "in den 80er oder frühen 90er Jahren des 5. Jahrhunderts" bei Zülpich stattgefunden und zur Knieverletzung des Rheinfrankenkönigs Sigibert geführt. Die zweite Auseinandersetzung, die mit Gregor in das "fünfzehnte Jahr" der Herrschaft Chlodwigs datiert wird, also auf 496/97, sei jene "Bekehrungsschlacht" gewesen, die zur Taufe führte. In der dritten Schlacht schließlich im Jahre 506 habe Chlodwig den Alemannen ein so "vernichtende Niederlage (bei Straßburg?)” beiggebracht, daß sie "ihre politische Selbständigkeit verloren". Diese dritte Schlacht sei der Anlaß für die Intervention des Ostgotenkönigs Theoderich des Großen gewesen, der sich für die "erschöpften Reste" der Alemannen einsetzte und Chlodwig Einhalt gebot." The scholarly consensus he refers to sees the Battle of Tolbiac as the second of three battles. Bermicourt (talk) 19:47, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And here's Ewig, pp 24-25: "506 trat indessen ein unvorhergesehenes Ereignis ein. Die Alammanen erhoben sich gegen die fränkische Oberherrschaft unter der Führung eines Heerkönigs, der anscheinend den größten Teil des Volkes mobilisierte. Chlodwig brachte ihnen eine vernichtede Niederlage (bei Straßburg?) bei, die der politischen Autonomie der Alamannen, deren König in der Schlacht fiel, ein Ende setzte und zu erheblichen Umwälzungen im Lande führte. Spätestens damals sind die Territorien Worms und Speyer und die Lande nördlich der Oos der Francia zugeschlagen worden. Die Franken verfolgten die Besiegten, die in Scharen nach Raetien in ostgotisches Hoheits- und Einflußgebiet flüchteten."Bermicourt (talk) 20:26, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Here's Hoops, p. 372. A quick translation reads "In the military conflict with the Alemanni, Gregory of Tours (Historiae II, 37) recounts that, in the early 490s the King of the Rhine-Franks, Sigibert the Lame, was deep in the Frankish settlement area near Zülpich. The Saalian Frankish Merovingian, Clovis, who had possibly married a Rhine-Frankish princess in the early 480s and had a son by her - Theoderic I (17, 299), precipitated a second battle against the Alemanni in 496/97 (Greg. Tur., Historiae II, 30), perhaps to help Sigibert. This event probably explains Clovis' influence in the Frankish Empire. When in 506 he again defeated the Alemanni in another battle (Cassiod. var. II, 41; Ennodius, Panegyricus 15), probably at Strasbourg, this war affected the Frankish Empire in a particular way, but no other Rhine-Frankish king emerged and Clovis was the sole ruler." Bermicourt (talk) 07:47, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
