Talk:Battle of Jumonville Glen

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Pronunciation help

I am in contact with a professional voice actor who is trying to record a spoken version of George Washington and he wants to hear someone pronounce "Battle of Jumonville Glen". If anyone would be willing to call him up or even leave a voice mail with the proper pronunciation, please email me and I will send you his contact info. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 18:00, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Going to Fix this up

This is a mess, I'm going to fix it up. Red4tribe (talk) 23:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

It continues to be a mess

For reasons unknown (to me), this article has been heavily edited and now relies on a single source, omitting other sources and many of the details of the battle in parallel Wikipedia entries (see the entry "Joseph Coulon de Jumonville" which contains a much better account of the battle). This article is now misleading at best, and omits primary sources such as detail from Washington's own diaries on the battle as well as contemporary French accounts. While the English and French may not have been technically at war at the time, they were headed towards it, and this clash which set off the Seven Years War (called the French and Indian War in North America) became a world wide conflict that didn't really end until Napoleon was defeated in 1815. The North American war was a sideshow to the world war, but a cause celebre of the day among both the English and the French propagandists.

In its present state, I would say that this article has been badly vandalized and needs an extensive rework. Rarkm (talk) 06:14, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

The sad truth about this section is this: your section should be seen as an accusation, but it was the truth. The article was a real mess back in 2009. The history page of this article is usualy honest about what has been on the article. It still is unbelievable. Exclamation marks are not the part of an article unless one would quote the words of a third person. As for infections, was that something new in the 1750s? It also puzzles me how a poorly written article can use one person as a referrance about nine times in a rowe. The one person is called Edward Lengel. I am supposed to think he is a reputed academic, but that article, as it was written in 2009, should prove me wrong. --2001:4644:DC5B:0:5C6F:63A2:4D1D:A53 (talk) 23:00, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Assassination?

This article says Jumonville was assassinated after surrendering. The article on Jumonville, however, goes into more detail, and offers the possibility that Jumonville was killed in battle, and that the assassination story was a bit of French propaganda which was denied by the British forces. If such controversy exists, it should be stated in the article. Mingusboodle (talk) 23:44, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Battle of Jumonville Glen/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: —Ed!^(talk) 20:31, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

The article, is, to me complete and I do not see any major points keeping it from satisfying all GA criteria. My only point is the "Legacy" section should be expanded or merged into other sections. Wikipeidia style does not permit single-sentence paras or sections. Once this is done, I will pass the GA nomination. —Ed!^(talk) 21:18, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I've added a few more lines of legacy material. Magic♪piano 03:00, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Terminology complaint

(This was addressed to me on my talk page. It is more appropriately discussed here. Magic♪piano 21:55, 8 March 2011 (UTC))

It seems you are quite indifferent to historical accuracy! All the soldiers involved were born in Canada. What do you call the colonists during the American Revolution, British as well, so we have British versus British. Also take a look at the Quebec Act of 1774, King George III refers to his Canadian subjects throughout the Act, not his French subjects.--Varing (talk) 21:47, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

You didn't read my edit summary. You altered words in a significant number of quotations, where the word used was e.g. "French", and not "French-Canadian" or "Canadien". Rather than tediously fix the many places you broke this, I reverted all of your changes. If the correctness of terminology is important to you, you should understand the importance of accurate quotation as well. As I said in the edit summary, feel free to make edits that don't violate the integrity of quoted material. Magic♪piano 21:51, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Furthermore, the composition of the French force was already correctly identified as Canadien before your edits; since I wrote those words, it shows I am not indifferent to historical accuracy. The fact that the word "French" is at times used in place of "French-Canadian" or "Canadien" should not obviously increase the ambiguity or inaccuracy of the statement; all of these people were at the time French subjects. Magic♪piano 22:12, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Sending Jumonville

The Canadien force "sent Jumonville to warn Washington about encroaching on French-claimed territory.". This doesn't appear to be correct: did Jumonville encounter Washington elsewhere before the battle? Who "sent" him?--Wetman (talk) 18:42, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, this article is all about their eventual meeting. As for who sent Jumonville, that question is answered in the body of the article. Magic♪piano 19:43, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Recent edits about the Battle's location in the infobox

Concerning where the Battle took place, i.e. the closest settlement/village/town/city. The Battle occurred at a location which GPS coordinates place and which on a map appear nearer to Hopwood than Farmington - the Battle took place on top of Chestnut Ridge across from the present Summit Inn which is near the original Braddock's Road (which became the National Road/Pike). I am unsure as to why the infobox designation can't be something along the lines of "between [this village] and [that village]". Let's discuss. Shearonink (talk) 04:50, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Smithsonian article

Here's an interesting read from the Smithsonian (Oct 2019) which gives a newly discovered account of the battle. It varies from the 3 in this article, and includes an indication that Washington fired the first shot. I didn't want to immediately include this new account because I haven't been an active editor of this article. When Young George Washington Started A War Canute (talk) 17:37, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Preston, David (October 2019). "When Young George Washington Started a War". Washington, DC: Smithonian Institute. Retrieved 26 September 2019.