Talk:Battle of Camperdown/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Notice

This is just a notice to any one interested in this article that I will be developing a fully explained and sourced version of this article in my userpace over the next month or so, to be uploaded here once complete. It will be loosely based on the current text, but will be extensively sourced, expanded and rewritten. I note that there has been no serious activity on this page, but should any one have any comments, requests or questions then please notify me at my talk page and I will do my best to respond and incorporated the results into the finished article. See Battle of the Nile for an example of an article that has already been through this process. Regards--Jackyd101 (talk) 22:36, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

The new text is now up, and I hope to eventually take it to FA (to note, this was the hardest battle of this period I've yet done - no one exisiting source that I have found gives anything like comprehensive coverage alone, this version had to be pieced together from four different sources). If anyone has comments, questions or notes please drop me a line. I have also created an Order of battle at the Battle of Camperdown with the statistical information and am putting together a page with paintings of the battle to be brought here in the neat future. If anyone wants to look over the editing process that led to this current version, the redirect User:Jackyd101/Battle of Camperdown retains this in its history. Enjoy!--Jackyd101 (talk) 23:44, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Dooitze Eelkes Hinxt

While the article has Hinxt being killed in the battle, the new article on Dooitze Eelkes Hinxt suggests that though being wounded early on and unable to take part in the battle, he did not succumb to his wounds until nearly a week later. I'm not able to verify with the sources used in the article, but could it be another instance where a British source has erroneously stated a Dutch officer as dying? viz James and de Winter? Benea (talk) 13:20, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

"the" Texel?

The article consistently names the isle of Texel as the Texel - this seems incorrect to me. Jan olieslagers (talk) 16:00, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Lots of historical accounts refer to the channel between the island of Texel and Den Helder as "the Texel". I believe I have seen references to the channel as the "Texel Stroom". HLGallon (talk) 17:49, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Coincidentally I came here with exactly that question. I suspect the Dutch coastline has updated itself over the centuries but this is very confusing to an English reader. Could someone familiar with the article change it? I assume the ships sheltered behind the island as if it were a harbour but I know enough about currents around the Isle of Wight and Anglesea to know it might actually be more dangerous than the open sea at times. Thanks in anticipation. JRPG (talk) 15:44, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

"The Texel" is indeed not the island but the channel between Texel and the coast of North Holland at Den Helder. This channel is presently called the Marsdiep. The Texelstroom is the continuation of the Marsdiep to the east, strongly curving to the south. Merchant ships could indeed shelter there but in the late eighteenth century the war fleet would preferably use Den Helder road. The tidal currents in the Texelstroom are limited, certainly compared to Wight :o), but the shoals were a major problem. It would have been seen as a highly courageous, or criminally reckless had it gone wrong, act if Duncan had followed even into the Marsdiep.--MWAK (talk) 19:15, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

i think it was called "de rede van texel "( old sp. de reede van texel) , being the marine harbour of the amsterdam centred companies, and thus the navy and privateering harbour, that was more usually also used for merchants, to await good weather. also apprently no dutch wanted to win, and i think taht is in the dutch herstory of the time. the better phrasing would then be: in the navy (or marine) harbour on texel (du. "de reede van texel")77.248.191.185 (talk) 04:22, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Though currently the naval base at Den Helder is a port, at the time in question that port did not yet exist and "the Texel" was a roadstead, as already noted by MWAK. So it might be less misleading to use the term "roadstead" instead of "harbour" or "port" for the area called "the Texel" in the article.--Ereunetes (talk) 00:59, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

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