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Confusion

I've moved this article from Bartholomeus de Glanvilla, as they are two different Franciscan monks who lived a century apart. The mix-up was common earlier, but it has been proven beyond doubt that one joined the order around 1225, while the other died in 1360; obviously there is no possibility that this could be one and the same person. See for instance http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02313b.htm and http://bestiary.ca/prisources/psdetail1611.htm. Cnyborg 00:51, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Start classification

I have reclassified this article as a start following its expansion.Capitalistroadster 21:24, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alhacen is listed as author of the Perspectiva in De Proprietabus Rerum by R. James Long (1979) as cited by Smith (2001)

See Alhacen listed as author of the Perspectiva (auctor perspective) in De Proprietabus Rerum III.17 pp. 39-45. of R. James Long (1979), ed. Bartholomeus Anglicus, De Proprietabus Rerum Books 3-4, as cited in Smith 2001 vol I, p.xx, footnote 32, p.cxxiii

Perspectiva is another title for De Aspectibus. --Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 03:45, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot locate Longs work but according to Smith Long suggests Alhacen as the author. Every one called their book Perseptivia. None of the translations (that i've checked so far) cite ibn al-Hayytham by name (any of his names). Long is still quoted in the article. J8079s (talk) 19:28, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is so: that Alhacen was identified as Ibn al-Haytham, by scholarship in the 19th c. That is one of the reasons that Smith produced his translation from Latin even though Sabra had already translated Kitab al-Manazir (1038) from Arabic. Smith asserts it is a very different book from De Aspectibus or (Perspectiva, c 1200). When the scribes wrote the Latin and credited the author, Alhacen is listed as 'auctor perspective' in Long's entry, cited in Smith 2001 (via JSTOR). But note the 'suggests' you picked up on is the date of first publication in Bartholomeus Anglicus' encyclopedia, De Proprietabus Rerum (1230-1250), in Europe. Long suggests 1230-1250 for the date of publication. Not the 'Alhacen' name, which is not in dispute. --Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 22:12, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes you are correct Smith cites Long with out reservation. I still wish I had access to his work. This source would also be very useful (Anglicus), Bartholomaeus; Trevisa, John (1988-05-01). On the Properties of Things: John Trevisa's Translation of Bartholomaeus Anglicus De Proprietatibus Rerum: A Critical Text. Clarendon Press. ISBN 9780198185307. Retrieved 29 March 2015. I can see enough to support Long's but it would help in other areas as well. J8079s (talk) 19:52, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Link to a more complete translation [1] J8079s (talk) 00:22, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]