Talk:Barrio

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B and V

The letters b and v always represent the same sound in Spanish. If someone tells you otherwise, it's wrong. It's not "virtually" the same sound; it is the same phoneme represented by two different letters, for historical reasons, and varying in realization between a plosive [b] and a fricative [β]. Even invierno is pronounced [imbjɛrno]! In ages past, teachers would tell students to pronounce v as a labiodental fricative, but that was never the actual spoken pronunciation. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 18:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

barrio chino <> chinatown

In the article:

In Spanish, Chinatowns are known as barrios chinos; similarly, all ethnic ghettos and "-towns" receive the name barrio plus the appropriate qualifying adjective.

It is half true. An ethnic ghetto is called Barrio X (where X is the adjective), BUT barrio chino is an exception. It means mostly "red lights district", and only very marginally "chinatown". --83.35.138.204 14:41, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What? Where's that usage found? —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 15:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced statement

Somebody, please check and confirm the last line of "Other Appearances" or delete it, if need be. 60.49.156.38 (talk) 02:42, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disadvantages of Living in the Barrio

Briefly, Barrios are over populated. They also lack clean water, no electricity, drainage, and other services. I would like to add more information in this with references. http://www.marxsite.com/mexico_city.htm

Barrio life BIAS

So... only Venezuelan barrios are that "special"? Then Mexican barrios, are like living at the Elysian Fields... What about Brazilian favelas, are those like heaven on Earth? I supposed those places are for the wealthy people and living on Venezuelan barrios are like being cast into the Tartarus... Fascinating!!!

Seriously if no other info is added, I will take the liberty to remove that "section", since living in a barrio, being Mexican, Venezuelan, Argentinian, etc... are not the same between countries, and leave it like that, unbiased...--FaustoLG (talk) 15:18, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I both agree and disagree with you. Agree: seems bias. Disagree: Perhaps it seems bias because the article is not yet complete, that is, because life in the barrios of other countries has yet to be entered. I say partialy because the section IS properly sourced. The way to deal with perceived bias is given HERE. My name is Mercy11 (talk) 03:06, 3 June 2013 (UTC), and I approve this message.[reply]

I agree with the above, only "a" barrio was discussed in the source, meaning the authors do not point this qualifies or not for other places, ist just a piece that is covered; however I will remove it because this subsection indicates implicitly that this only happens in this place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.97.110.59 (talk) 20:58, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Meaning?

"Over the centuries, selectness in the Spanish Empire evolved as a mosaic of the various barrios...." I have no idea what this means. Can anyone make sense of it? 155.213.224.59 (talk) 16:33, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Different person from above, but 5 years later, this article still is not helpful. "The United States usage of the term barrio is also found" - What is the US usage? It's not explained anywhere in the article. We seem to have a Spanish usage explained in the intro, is the US one different? As a Brit, I'm totally lost. - Cheers, Burwellian (Talk) 23:18, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am fairly familiar with barrios in both the US and Latin America. I will try to work on the article to improve it, focusing first on those areas related to your comments (which seem fair!). However, it may take sometime as I am currently also involved with other endeavors, both in WP and in real life. For now, just wanted you to know your request didn't fall on deaf ears! Mercy11 (talk) 23:25, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Burwellian: on second thought, decided to give it a try right now as leaving it for later might not work as well for me. Take a look and tell me, if you will, if you see any other areas where improvements may be needed, and I will see if I can help further. Mercy11 (talk) 00:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That reads so much more clearly. Thank you. - Cheers, Burwellian (Talk) 00:46, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what this page is about. Barrio means neighbourhood or district, there is already a page for that. Can someone clarify it? --Jotamar (talk) 18:12, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. In your vast experience at WP you may have noticed that its articles aren't written merely to define words, for that would be the job of a dictionary. In an encyclopedia the focus is not on what it is but rather on what it does, who uses it, when it came to be, how it functions, why it was needed, etc. Also, the fact that a (seemingly) equivalent page already exists doesn't always provide the best way to help a reader's search for information. For example, a Spanish-English dictionary may state that "alcalde" is Spanish for "mayor", but when you dig into the Alcalde article in the EWP the differences between Alcalde and Mayor start to surface. For one thing, both Alcalde and Mayor provide a definition, but that's not the focus and thus they go much deeper into the What, When, Where, Who, How, and Why. The same is true of Barrio and neighbourhood. IAE, I have added two pictures to the article; hope they help. Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 02:25, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi everyone. Articles do not merely define words, but it's actually the concept that seems to be ill-defined/haphazardly-constructed here (insofar it tries to encapsulate all the Spanish-speaking world in a very essentialised way). Here we have a presentation of what a barrio can mean as a symbolic space in the US. That seems to be a reliable source framing the concept as an "ethnic" subset of neighborhood in the US context. So it's a start. Yet it still reads like something incredibly fuzzy (and ill-advised to create an article about it by amalgamating it with mentions to barrio as a simple neighborhood in a sort of glorified and prosified disambiguation page). That the definition of barrio as "Spanish-speaking neighborhoods (...) "in which residents identify as either Hispanic or Latino" does not relate at all to the modern country of Spain (or even the Philippines and LatAm for that matter?) goes without saying (it's an extremely US-centric construct). All in all, a more explicit framing of the topic as an US-centric concept (that is, stripping this preeminently US-centric concept of those fake pretensions of Pan-Hispanic essentialism that violate WP:OR) could be a positive step forward. Regards.--Asqueladd (talk) 15:36, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thus I propose to reword the lead to something like this: Barrio (from the Spanish word for neighborhood, an arabism: Classical Arabic barrī ['wild'] via Andalusian Arabic bárri ['exterior']) is a term used in the United States to denote Spanish-speaking neighborhoods, in which its denizens primarily identify as either Hispanic or Latino). and then proceed to chop the rest of the article accordingly.--Asqueladd (talk) 16:05, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One year later, this page is still essentially a lexical dictionary entry. The mysterious connection between Latino neighbourhoods in the US and any type of neighbourhood in Spanish-speaking countries has not been clarified. --Jotamar (talk) 00:32, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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